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#2287 - Josh Dubin & J.D. Tomlinson

Mar 11, 2025
Josh Dubin, a civil rights attorney and head of the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice, teams up with J.D. Tomlinson, a former prosecutor who faced wrongful accusations himself. They dive into the harrowing journey of wrongful convictions, spotlighting the Ohio Four case and the role of unreliable testimonies. Their discussion tackles flaws in the grand jury system, the emotional fallout for wrongfully accused individuals, and the pressing need for legal reforms. They also confront the devastating impact of community biases on justice.
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Quick takeaways

  • The wrongful convictions of the Ohio Four resulted from manipulated evidence and unreliable testimonies, highlighting systemic flaws in the justice system.
  • William Avery Jr.'s fabricated claims, driven by financial motives, exemplify the dangers of prioritizing convictions over truth in legal proceedings.

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The Ohio Four Case Overview

Four individuals were wrongfully convicted of a murder they did not commit, known as the case of the Ohio Four. Their convictions stemmed from the manipulation of evidence and faulty eyewitness accounts, primarily from a man named William Avery Jr. This man, who had a history of being a paid informant, fabricated a story implicating these men as the murderers based solely on his claims, without any physical evidence linking them to the crime. The case has been a focal point in discussions around wrongful convictions and the systemic issues within the justice system.

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