Why You Can’t Know What It’s Like for a Bat to Be a Bat with Jackie Higgins
Feb 25, 2022
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Jackie Higgins, author of Sentient: How Animals Illuminate the Wonder of Our Human Senses, explores the sensory experiences of various animals, highlighting our shared evolutionary history. The podcast discusses fascinating examples of animal senses, the relationship between our senses and the metaverse, the influence of Oliver Sacks' writings, and the incredible abilities of Ian Waterman, a butcher who lost his sense of proprioception.
Animals have their own unique sensory experiences that can illuminate our understanding of our own human senses.
The complexity of animal consciousness and subjective experiences poses challenges for scientists in fully comprehending them.
Deep dives
The Fascinating World of Animal Senses
This podcast episode explores the sensory experiences of various animals and how they illuminate our understanding of human senses. It delves into the incredible vision of the mantis shrimp with its multiple color senses, the sensory diversity of species like catfish that taste through their skin, and the extraordinary hearing abilities of the Goliath catfish and owls. The podcast also discusses the importance of touch and its impact on our mental health. It touches upon the scientific exploration of time perception in orb weaver spiders and the ongoing philosophical questions surrounding conscious awareness and sentience in animals.
The Blurry Line Between Sensation and Consciousness
This podcast episode raises thought-provoking questions about the subjective nature of sensory experiences and consciousness. It highlights the challenges scientists face in fully understanding the sensory worlds of animals and their ability to experience pain, pleasure, and awareness. The episode references the fascinating studies on human neurodiversity, including individuals who can see more colors or perceive the world through touch. It also explores the adaptability of the human brain and the potential implications of creating virtual metaverses that may alter our sensory perception and disconnect us from millions of years of evolved neural responses.
Unveiling the Wonders of Animal Senses
In this podcast episode, the host engages in a deep exploration of animal senses and their significance in understanding our own human sensory experiences. It highlights the diverse range of animal sensory adaptations, such as the extraordinary eyesight of the mantis shrimp and the unique ability of a spookfish to see circularly polarized light. The episode discusses the crucial role of sound and hearing as a universal sense, as well as the profound impact of touch on mental health and the importance of human touch. It also touches upon the interconnectedness between sensory perception and concepts like time and consciousness.
The Mysterious World of Animal Consciousness
This podcast episode delves into the enigmatic realm of animal consciousness and the intriguing question of what it's like to be different creatures. It explores the ideas put forth by philosopher Thomas Nagel and scientist Jackie Higgins regarding the sentience and conscious experiences of animals. The episode covers the sensory systems of various animals, including the peacock mantis shrimp's exceptional vision and the time perception in orb weaver spiders. Furthermore, it explores the profound role of touch in human and animal lives and the ongoing scientific quest to understand the complexity of consciousness and subjective experiences across different species.
We can never know what it’s like for a bat to be a bat. Or even if there is something that it is like for a bat to be a bat. But if there is something, we would speculate that the bat has some kind of consciousness or sentience. That’s the argument Jackie Higgins makes in her new book Sentient: How Animals Illuminate the Wonder of Our Human Senses, in which she takes us on a deep dive into the sensory experience of many different animals, from fish to owls, to moles, to cheetahs. Jackie is a television documentary director and writer. She read zoology at Oxford University as a student of Richard Dawkins and then worked for Oxford Scientific Films, where she spent a decade making wildlife films for the BBC, Channel 4, National Geographic, and The Discovery Channel. She then moved in-house at the BBC for another decade, working for their Science Department, researching, writing, directing, and producing films for many programs, from Horizon to Tomorrow’s World. Join Indre and Jackie today for their fascinating conversation regarding Jackie’s ‘joyful exploration of what it means to be human’.