Alenka Zupančič, an expert in conspiracy theories and forthcoming work on disavowal, discusses the relationship between conspiracy theories and liberal mainstream discourse. Topics include the harmful effects of disavowal, the role of postmodern philosophy, and the concept of the 'big other'. The podcast also explores the challenges of processing information in the fast-paced news industry, the lack of imagination in society, and the need to break free from narrowing down possibilities.
Disavowal, the act of claiming to know about problems but continuing to act as if nothing is wrong, is as harmful as denial and prevents meaningful action.
Having access to vast amounts of information does not equate to true knowledge, as reality becomes increasingly fictionalized and it becomes difficult to distinguish between what is real and what is not.
Deep dives
The relation between disavowal and conspiracy theories
In this podcast episode, the guest explores the connection between disavowal and conspiracy theories. The argument is made that mainstream liberal attitudes today respond to existing disasters with disavowal rather than denial. Disavowal involves claiming to know about the problems but continuing to act as if nothing is wrong. It is argued that disavowal is as harmful as denial, as both prevent meaningful action. The existence of conspiracy theories is seen as a desperate attempt to hold onto the idea of a controlling "big other" that knows and orchestrates everything, even if it is perceived as evil.
The fictionalization of reality and intense realization of certain fictions
The podcast delves into the idea that reality is becoming increasingly fictionalized through the abundance of information, which makes it difficult to distinguish between what is real and what is not. The concept of knowledge versus information is emphasized, with the realization that having access to vast amounts of information does not equate to true knowledge. The intensification of enjoyment in knowledge itself is discussed, along with the challenge of navigating through conspiracy theories and their cognitive mapping. The podcast also touches on the idea of conspiracies existing, but cautions against fetishizing knowledge and emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and questioning.
The endless postponement of the end and the need for new possibilities
The discussion centers around the idea of the "end" and the constant postponement of its arrival. It is suggested that instead of fixating on the idea of an impending end, we should acknowledge that we are already living in a drastically changed world. This shift in perspective allows for the exploration of new possibilities and a break from the limited set of options presented to us. The narrowing down of imagination and the immediacy of reactions are highlighted as obstacles to finding alternative solutions. It's acknowledged that there is no magic formula for escaping these constraints, but that expanding the space for thinking and acting is crucial.
The importance of re-examining desire and its relation to enjoyment
The guest hints at their upcoming book project, which focuses on re-evaluating the notion of desire and its connection to enjoyment. They suggest that desire has intrinsic emancipatory potential and is more complex than commonly portrayed. They express interest in delving into questions of desire in relation to Afro-Pessimism and other topics, aiming to understand desire beyond the limited views of hysterical desire only seeking complaint or change without consequence.
This week, the second half of our conversation with Alenka Zupančič; focusing on the different modalities of conspiracy theory, desire, drive, and her forthcoming work on disavowal.
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