Today’s guest is Max Borders, author of the book Underthrow: How Jefferson's Dangerous Idea Will Spark a New Revolution. Max has been an outspoken supporter of decentralized systems and individual freedom and has authored four books deeply exploring humanity's movement toward societies of decentralized governance. Today, Max joins the show to explain his radical idea to “underthrow” the government through what he calls “subversive innovation.”

TODAY'S CONVERSATION WITH MAX BORDERS

Listen to Max describe how he followed his yearning to use creativity and entrepreneurship to affect societal change to write about the topic of decentralization.
Hear Max explain how he hopes to inspire people to underthrow the government, using what he refers to as “subversive innovation”
Max and I discuss how many libertarians often find themselves stuck thinking about policy while neglecting to make the needed changes in their own lives
Tune in to hear Max’s breakdown of the 3 options for affecting change in society and which he feels is superior
Listen to Max describe how governments have evolved from sovereign entities into an “extended politburo” run by government and corporate interests.
Learn about Max’s “Constitution of Consent” contest and how he aims for it to inspire real-life experiments in decentralized self-governance.
Hear Max lay out his ideas of just how we can navigate this era of unreason and untruth by implementing the ideas he discusses.

RELATED EPISODES

256: Are Self-Governing Cities Our Chance At Freedom? 222: Best Of Special Economic Zones And Private Cities 221: What The World Can Expect In 2023 - Ron Paul

HOW TO FIND MAX BORDERS’ WORK

Head to Underthrow.org to find Max’s writing and the Constitution of Consent contest Follow Max Borders on Twitter

CONCLUSION

I had a blast talking to Max about his ideas, and I simply love that his focus is all about how to make them work in the real world, not simply in hypothetical fantasyland. As I often discuss, far too many great, freedom-loving libertarians that I run into wind up stuck in the realms of philosophy and policy. This program and my work as an expat consultant are all about taking actionable steps to achieve more liberty for yourself and your family, and I’m glad that Max’s ideas fall right in line with that. I hope all enjoyed this conversation as much as I did!

Mentioned in this episode:

Join Us For Upcoming Live Webinars

Every month, we offer exciting new webinars for our community. Topics include how to use retirement accounts to buy real estate overseas, how to get a second passport in Latin America, why you should sell your stock portfolio and move your money offshore, how to buy a beachfront rental property in Brazil for less than $100k, or apartments in Paraguay for $60k. If you want to join us for FREE for these presentations with live Q&A, insider secrets, and exclusive opportunities with my professional network of experts, then sign up today.

Webinars - Expat Money

Gold in the Caribbean—No Bank Can Touch It

Fiat is failing. Banks are cracking. And smart investors are moving their gold offshore—outside the system. I’ve partnered with a fully insured private vault in the Caribbean where you can buy, store, and protect physical gold… legally and securely. The entire account opening is done online—fast, private, and no nonsense. If you’re serious about protecting your wealth, get the details now at ExpatMoney.com/gold

Offshore Gold & Silver

Into The Amazon—Then Straight To The Beach

This year, I’m taking a private group into the Amazon rainforest—then we head to Fortaleza and explore Brazil’s booming Northeast coast. Think Amazon river cruises, beachfront developments, and wide-open opportunity. From the heart of the rainforest to pristine beaches most people only dream about—this is bucket-list meets Plan-B strategy. If you’ve ever wanted to see the real Brazil and scout investments along the way, this is it. Go to ExpatMoney.com/Brazil.

Brazil Tour August 2 - 9, 2025

Join Us For Upcoming Live Webinars

Every month, we offer exciting new webinars for our community. Topics include how to use retirement accounts to buy real estate overseas, how to get a second passport in Latin America, why you should sell your stock portfolio and move your money offshore, how to buy a beachfront rental property in Brazil for less than $100k, or apartments in Paraguay for $60k. If you want to join us for FREE for these presentations with live Q&A, insider secrets, and exclusive opportunities with my professional network of experts, then sign up today.

Webinars - Expat Money

Into The Amazon—Then Straight To The Beach

This year, I’m taking a private group into the Amazon rainforest—then we head to Fortaleza and explore Brazil’s booming Northeast coast. Think Amazon river cruises, beachfront developments, and wide-open opportunity. From the heart of the rainforest to pristine beaches most people only dream about—this is bucket-list meets Plan-B strategy. If you’ve ever wanted to see the real Brazil and scout investments along the way, this is it. Go to ExpatMoney.com/Brazil.

Brazil Tour August 2 - 9, 2025

#79 Warum ist Inklusion das Gegenteil von Sex? - mit Klaus Bopp und Svenja Weber vom Dialoghaus Hamburg