Pope Francis’ Criticism of Vance and Trump Was a ‘Breath of Fresh Air

Apr 22, 2025

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The New Abnormal hosts Andy Levy and Danielle Moodie reflect on Pope

Francis’ death at 88 and why the late pontiff was such a “breath of fresh air” in the current

climate. Then, Garrett Graff, publisher of Doomsday Scenario, joins the podcast to discuss his

latest piece on how the Trump administration’s defiance of the courts impacts the rule of law.

Plus, ProPublica reporter Alec MacGillis stops by to talk about what a halt of data collection at

the government means for climate change and more.

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