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The podcast episode discusses the death toll in Gaza and how Israel could and should respond to it. The host and guest begin by acknowledging the tragedy of the deaths and express their empathy for the innocent lives lost. They also recognize the responsibility of the rulers of Gaza in the prevention of these deaths. The conversation delves into the emotional impact of the images of suffering in Gaza, which initially dried up empathy but eventually rekindled it. The episode highlights the difficulty of discussing this topic openly, as well as the lack of data on Israeli public opinion regarding Palestinian civilian deaths. It also explores the perception of hypocrisy in international reactions to civilian suffering, citing examples of other conflicts with similar or greater humanitarian crises that received less attention. Finally, the episode touches on the strategic context of the war, including Iranian influence, Israel's concern for its soldiers' safety, and the need for Israel to present itself as part of the solution rather than the problem.