Sadiq Khan on Alistair Darling, COP and Xmas Trees
Nov 30, 2023
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Labour Mayor of London Sadiq Khan discusses Alistair Darling, COP28, Ulez, and the Trafalgar Square Christmas tree. They also talk about Spotify wrapped, favorite musical artists, Norwegian Christmas tree traditions, and the government's treatment of health risks and climate change.
Matt Hancock defended himself during the COVID inquiry, highlighting the tension between the scientific method and political caution in handling uncertainties of the pandemic.
Hancock proposed the establishment of a dedicated health and security agency to consistently assess health risks, treating them as seriously as other national security concerns.
Deep dives
Matt Hancock defends his truthfulness
During the COVID inquiry, Matt Hancock defended himself against accusations of dishonesty, stating that he did not lie and offered to debunk any specific instances. He described himself as Tiggerish in his role as health secretary and claimed that the Department of Health was ahead of the rest of the government in recognizing the scale of the pandemic. However, critics argue that Hancock's assertions lack evidence and that he failed in his duty to read minutes from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) meetings.
The importance of precautionary action
Hancock highlighted the tension between the scientific method and political caution when it came to dealing with uncertainties, such as asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19. He suggested that his inclination was to be precautionary even when the evidence was lacking, which had significant consequences in the early stages of the pandemic. This approach was intended to prioritize public safety, but it was questioned whether the precautionary principle was followed consistently throughout the government.
Structural improvements in tackling health risks
Hancock argued that the UK needs a dedicated health and security agency that constantly assesses health risks, similar to the approach taken with terrorism threats. He emphasized the need for health risks to be treated as seriously as other national security concerns and proposed having a representative from the agency present at the National Security Council meetings to ensure proper attention and action.
Comparing health risks to other threats
Hancock drew attention to the disparity in how the government addresses different types of risks. He pointed out that if a terrorist threat were expected to cause hundreds of thousands of deaths, immediate action would be taken. However, health risks, including pandemics and climate change, often receive less immediate attention. This highlights the need for a shift in prioritization and a more proactive approach to dealing with health risks.
Adam chats to Labour Mayor of London Sadiq Khan about Alistair Darling, COP28, Ulez and the Trafalgar Square Christmas tree.
And as Matt Hancock faces the Covid inquiry, Chris and former civil servant Jill Rutter give their analysis.
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