Jess Johnston, author of "Perfect Is Boring (and It Tastes Like Kale)," shares her journey from an off-grid childhood to becoming a voice for authenticity in friendships. She and Michael discuss the pitfalls of perfectionism and the courage needed to embrace vulnerability. They explore the differences between belonging and fitting in, why awkward moments can strengthen bonds, and the importance of intentionality in adult friendships. Jess offers relatable stories and practical advice, emphasizing that embracing imperfection leads to deeper connections.
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Off-Grid Upbringing
Jess Johnston's off-grid childhood, without electricity or running water, fostered a love for reading and language.
This upbringing shaped her perspective on connection and inspired her writing career, despite her natural disorganization.
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Authenticity and Belonging
People crave belonging and connection but often believe they must prove themselves to be accepted.
Letting go of performance and embracing authenticity leads to deeper belonging than curating a perfect image.
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Authenticity vs. Negativity
Be authentic but avoid overwhelming others with negativity.
There's a difference between sharing struggles and burdening others with your problems.
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Together, they explore the ups and downs of adult friendships, including letting down your guard to create real bonds. Jess’s relatable stories and practical tips make it easy to see how consistency, courage, and even a little awkwardness can lead to meaningful relationships.
If you’ve ever felt like perfection gets in the way of connection, this conversation is perfect for you.
Listen and Learn:
Jess’ off-grid childhood that sparked her love for writing and how those experiences shaped her perspective on connection
The tension between performance and authenticity in your friendships and the courage to be rea
What are the profound differences between belonging and fitting in?
What does it really mean to be authentic?
Awkward moments forge deeper connections—why embracing imperfection matters in your relationships and life
The surprising power of intentionality and courage in building your adult friendships
Why the fear of rejection is key to building meaningful friendships
Jess Johnston lives in Southern California with her husband and four kids, who are the loves of her life. She is an Enneagram Seven and is enthusiastic about everything—but especially people, travel, and sauces. Jess’s writing makes you feel like you’re sitting cross-legged on her couch in your cozy pants while sharing hearts and drinking coffee. She is the co-author of the Wall Street Journal bestseller I’ll Be There (But I’ll Be Wearing Sweatpants) and has been a top contributor to publications such as HuffPost, Scary Mommy, and Motherly.
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