

182. Ruth Braunstein on When the Wolves Came
6 snips Apr 2, 2025
Ruth Braunstein, a sociologist focused on the intersection of religion and US politics, discusses her documentary podcast 'When the Wolves Came.' She explores the rise of Christian nationalism in evangelical churches and how congregations respond to this extremism. Braunstein shares insights from her research and the creative process of transforming complex ideas into compelling narratives. The conversation also highlights the personal stories and challenges of faith communities navigating political divides and a society deeply impacted by conspiratorial thinking.
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Contrasting Churches
- The podcast "When the Wolves Came" focuses on two churches in Phoenix with contrasting responses to Christian nationalism.
- Desert Springs resists it, while Dream City embraces it, partnering with Turning Point USA.
Caleb Campbell's Past
- Caleb Campbell, pastor of Desert Springs Bible Church, has a unique background.
- He was once involved with neo-Nazi skinheads but now openly discusses this experience.
COVID-19's Impact
- The COVID-19 pandemic played a pivotal role in exacerbating divisions within the evangelical world.
- It became a focal point for conflict entrepreneurs, exploiting existing distrust of government.