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In this episode of No Way Out, investigative journalist Tom Wright joins us to dissect the infamous Fat Leonard scandal, a dark chapter in U.S. Navy history where corruption, manipulation, and ethical breaches were exposed on a massive scale. Leonard Francis, the Malaysian contractor at the heart of the scandal, exploited systemic weaknesses in Navy operations, unraveling how deep-rooted issues in military culture can jeopardize national security.

Tom Wright, Ponch (a retired Navy captain), and Mark McGrath (a former Marine Corps captain) explore the challenges whistleblowers faced, the struggles of NCIS investigators, and the broader cultural and systemic flaws that allowed corruption to flourish. We also examine parallels between military corruption and financial scandals, highlighting the role of press freedom and investigative journalism in exposing these wrongs.

This episode is a deep dive into the perils of unchecked power, the complexities of leadership accountability, and the importance of maintaining institutional integrity in the face of corruption.

John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words:

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

March 25, 2025

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