The Pastorate Podcast Alan Hirsch on the Five-Fold Ministry: How it can Unlock the Church’s Potential & Help You Flourish As A Church Leader
What if your leadership frustrations aren’t a sign of failure—but of misaligned gifting?
This week, Jason is joined by Alan Hirsch—author, missiologist, and global voice on church renewal—for a conversation on leadership identity, the five-fold gifts of Ephesians 4, and how to move beyond Sunday-centric models of church. Drawing from decades of movemental leadership, Alan unpacks the APEST framework (apostle, prophet, evangelist, shepherd, teacher) and why reclaiming your spiritual wiring is essential for healthy, sustainable ministry.
Alan shares about:
The dangers of forcing all pastors into shepherd-teacher roles
How the pandemic exposed over-reliance on Sunday services
Why mission, justice, and discipleship need to be recentered
His vision for a Church led by everyday disciple-makers
Whether you’re tired, reimagining your calling, or leading change in your church, this conversation is both clarifying and deeply challenging.
Biography
Alan Hirsch is the founder of 100 Movements, Forge Mission Training Network, and Future Travelers, and 5QCollective. All these organizations focus on pioneering leadership development and training and consulting on the church as a missional movement.
Known for his innovative approach to mission, Alan is widely considered to be a thought-leader in his field and has worked with churches and organization across the world, but mainly in North America, Europe, and Australia.
Hirsch is the author of numerous award winning books including The Forgotten Ways, The Shaping of Things to Come, ReJesus and The Faith of Leap, Untamed, Right Here, Right Now, On the Verge, and The Permanent Revolution. His experience includes leading a local church movement among the marginalized, developing training systems for innovative missional leadership, and heading up the mission and revitalization work of his denomination.
Alan is co-founder of the M.A. in Missional Church Movements at Wheaton College (Illinois). He is also adjunct professor at Fuller Seminary, George Fox Seminary, Asbury Seminary, among others, and he lectures frequently throughout Australia, Europe, and the United States. He is series editor for IVP's Forge line, Baker Books' Shapevine series.
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