Shiloh Bates – CLO Investing at Flat Rock Global (EP.379)
Apr 11, 2024
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Shiloh Bates, CIO at Flat Rock Global, discusses CLO investing, market overview, and Flat Rock’s approach. Topics include CLO equity attractiveness, historical performance, market characteristics, and BB investments. Learn about Shiloh's 25 years in the industry and his book on CLO investing.
CLO market growth driven by yield-hungry investors seeking 10% returns from first-line loans.
CLO equity provides mid-teens returns with lower risk due to structured quarterly distributions and floating-rate securities.
Diversification in middle-market CLOs enhances returns through active management strategies and opportunities in discounted securities.
Deep dives
The Evolution of CLO Market
The CLO market has significantly evolved from a niche sector with $6 billion AUM in six managers to over a trillion in AUM and 100 active managers today. The growth is driven by investors seeking yield with first-line loans offering close to 10% returns. CLO securities performance over the past 30 years has been strong, attracting more investors to the asset class.
Key Factors Driving CLO Equity Returns
CLO equity investors aim for mid-teens returns with lower risk compared to individual stocks. The unique structure of CLOs, with their quarterly distributions and exposure to loan default risks, offers a compelling risk-adjusted return profile. The presence of floating-rate securities in CLOs benefits from rate increases, providing stable returns to investors.
Investment Strategy & Portfolio Diversification in CLO Market
Building a diversified portfolio in the CLO market involves tracking various opportunities to screen highest return possibilities. Diversification across CLO equity tranches and timing acquisitions diversely ensures risk management. Middle-market CLO focus offers higher returns with favorable loan statistics and lower volatility compared to broadly syndicated loans.
Active Management & Yield Optimization in CLO Investments
Active management by CLO managers includes loan rotations, primary market participation, and long-term financing optimization to enhance yield for equity investors. Strategies like refinancing, CLO life extensions, and proactive management of loan churn drive returns. Opportunities in discounted CLO securities during market downturns provide enhanced yield potential.
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Shiloh Bates is the Chief Investment Officer at Flat Rock Global, an alternative credit manager specializing in the junior tranches of CLOs. Last year, Shiloh published CLO Investing, a comprehensive review of the structure, payoff rules, and historical performance of CLOs. Our conversation covers Shiloh's twenty-five years spent in and around the space, an overview of the market, the characteristics of CLOs, the attractiveness of CLO equity relative to other credit opportunities, and Flat Rock’s approach to investing in CLO equity and BBs.