Ready for a juicy technical episode that doles out super-strategic advice at the same time? Excellent. Because in this half-hour Tolga explains what he meant when he said VMs are in fact becoming obsolete in a recent Forbes article. He and Pete also go deep into a discussion about whether or not "serverless first" is becoming a thing, and who serverless may not actually work for. We also talk about whether public cloud is cost effective, and what you might be doing wrong if it's not at your company; why you don't need to be worried about lock-in anymore, the right and wrong ways to move to the cloud, and the importance of embracing automation. Whew! It's a great episode. Technical goodness stacked near the front half--strategic discussion takes place in the back half. Enjoy!

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