TIP632: Mastermind Q2, 2024 w/ Tobias Carlisle and Hari Ramachandra
May 19, 2024
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Tobias Carlisle, a seasoned value investor and author, joins Hari Ramachandra to discuss promising stock picks and the current economic climate. They analyze why Burberry, despite challenges, could rebound and debate its market positioning. Hari champions ICICI Bank as a strong investment in India's growth, while Tobias pitches Playtika, outlining both its potential and pitfalls. They navigate economic uncertainties and explore the impact of innovation in the sector, offering valuable insights for investors looking to align with future trends.
Playtika, a mobile gaming company, has faced an 80% drop in valuation since its 2021 IPO due to a significant slowdown in growth, hovering around 1% year on year. The company attributes this to privacy updates impacting marketing and monetization. Known for celebrity endorsements in specific games, the stock trades at $7.24 at a $2.7 billion market cap. Despite debt, its fat margins and diversified revenue sources show resilience. Efficiency measures via layoffs are underway to boost performance amidst market challenges.
Playtika's Financial Position and Strategic Initiatives
Despite current setbacks, Playtika's financials reveal a solid foundation. With revenues expected at $2.6 billion for the year and impressive margins, its EV/Revenue ratio stands at 1. Free cash flow at $436 million leads to an attractive 9.5 times multiple, while the P/E ratio sits at 11. Founder-led and with strong cash flow, Playtika plans dividends and strategic acquisitions to leverage its underappreciated financial strength amidst operational challenges.
Optimistic Perspective on Playtika
Although Playtika faces market and internal strife, its dividend yield of 5.5% signifies a commitment to shareholders. The company's potential acquisitions and robust free cash flow signal a resilient financial position. Despite industry headwinds and geopolitical influences, Playtika's focus on financial stability, strategic investments, and efficient operations pave the way for potential growth and value creation, making it a compelling opportunity for patient investors.
Investing in Gaming Companies
Investing in gaming companies can be risky with concerns about fast dividend declarations and reliance on acquisitions for revenue growth. Some companies face challenges in maintaining user engagement due to high competition and changing interests of gamers. Additionally, regulatory risks in certain segments like casino games pose threats to stock performance.
Opportunities in Indian Banking Sector
The growth potential of the Indian banking sector is highlighted by positive demographics and efficient adoption of digital technologies. Increased credit demand is expected with the country's growing economy, providing opportunities for banks to expand their services and customer base. Policy reforms and consolidation efforts in the sector support improved asset quality and capital adequacy ratios, positioning banks like ICICI for long-term growth.
In today's episode, Stig Brodersen speaks to Tobias Carlisle and Hari Ramachandra. Stig only owns five individual stocks, and in this episode, he outlines why he has put Burberry on this watchlist. Hari’s pick, ICICI Bank Limited, is a solid bet on the rise of India, and Tobias pitches Playtika, a value stock trading at an appealing valuation.
IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:
00:00 - Intro
01:57 - What are the current economic conditions?
13:37 - Are we entering a world with less disruption?
17:30 - What Stig’s bull case is for Burberry (Ticker: BURBY).
35:18 - The bear case for Burberry, including the current deterioration in the luxury sector.
42:35 - Why Toby has invested in Playtika (Ticker: PLTK).
52:23 - The bear case for Playtika, including the lack of moat and switching costs.
56:01 - Why Hari is bullish on ICICI Bank Limited (Ticker: ICICIBANK).
1:12:47 - The bear case of ICICI Bank Limited, including whether the valuation is stretched.
Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.
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