Guest John Kerschner from Janus Henderson Investors discusses CLOs, company financials, market trends, historical theories, and the securitization process of CLOs including risks, performance during crises, and management strategies. The podcast also compares Janus Henderson's CLO ETFs, explores the leverage loan market dynamics, and highlights the advantages of investing in CLOs for diversified portfolios.
CLOs, or Collateralized Loan Obligations, are a type of securitization involving corporate debt, not consumer debt. They package leverage loans made to companies that can't borrow in the high yield bond market. CLO managers create portfolios of 200-300 loans, dividing risk into different tranches ranging from AAA to single B. Diversification within CLOs allows for risk mitigation, ensuring even AAA securities have historically never defaulted.
Managing Risks in CLOs Through Structured Finance
Within CLO structures, credit enhancement, or parse subordination, provides support for different tranches. Triple A tranches typically have 30-40% support, reducing the likelihood of losses during defaults. The securitization process's diversification and parse subordination mechanisms protect investors' interests. Interest coverage tests ensure cash flows cover CLO bond interest payments, maintaining financial stability even during stressed scenarios.
Comparing CLO Exchange-Traded Funds: AAA vs. Triple B
CLO Exchange-Traded Funds (ETFs) offer floating rate dividends, providing advantages in changing interest rate environments. AAA-rated CLO ETFs currently offer around 6.25% monthly distribution yield, while Triple B variations provide higher yields at around 7.75%. The difference in yields reflects short-term interest rate plays more than credit differences. Investors benefit from the flexibility to choose risk levels and diversification within CLO ETFs, aligning with varying investment goals.