Joe Krebs speaks with Mary and Tom Poppendieck about Lean Software Development. Together they wrote a series of books: “Lean Software Development” “Implementing Lean Software Development”, “Leading Lean Software Development” and “The Lean Mindset” in chronological order. Mary and Tom talked about how Lean fits into the universe of processes, tools and techniques in regards to processes like Scrum or Kanban. They did that from a leaders point of view. We discussed the role of knowledge workers and how that relates to people for example in Lean Manufacturing. We also had a chance to touch on Kata practices as they gave feedback to the initial release of the Agile Kata.