The Nonlinear Library: LessWrong LW - Rowing vs steering by Saul Munn
Aug 12, 2024
09:33
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Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: Rowing vs steering, published by Saul Munn on August 12, 2024 on LessWrong.
Alex Lawsen used a great metaphor on the
80k After Hours podcast:[1]
[1:38:14] …you're rowing a boat on your own, and you're trying to get somewhere, and you've got some map that you need to look at to see where you're going, I imagine like a map and compass. […] When you're rowing, you're facing back; you can't see where you're going. You've just got to sit there and pull both of the oars, and do that a bunch of times, and then the boat goes forwards. […] You steer [… by pulling] harder with one side, something like that.
I can imagine […] you sitting forwards in the boat, and trying to hold the map with your left hand while it's gripping one oar, and trying to hold the compass with your right hand while it's gripping the other; pushing them rather than pulling them while looking at where you're going; so you're always precisely on track, but my guess is you're just going to go super slowly, because that's not how to row a boat.
Whereas you can imagine someone else, maybe someone that's racing you, who is going to point the boat in pretty much the right direction - they're not exactly sure it's the right direction, and they might go a bit off course. And then they go, "Cool. I'm going to row hard for a minute, and then I'm going to stop and check I'm pointing in the right direction, and then I'm going to row hard for another minute."
[1:37:56] The metaphor is trying to point at … the strategy, [which] is pretty clear: gather some information, make a decision with that information, stick to that decision for some period of time that you've planned in advance, and then reevaluate, gather some more information, and then make a new decision.
[1:35:58] … you [should] stick to some policy, which is like: "I'm going to look at a bunch of things, I'm going to actually seriously consider my options. And then, with all of the information I have, I'm going to make a decision. And I'm going to make the decision to do the thing that seems best for some fixed period of time. At the end of that fixed period of time, then I will consider other options."
[1:47:43] … if you think expected value is a reasonable framework to use, … then I do actually want to say: I think having this kind of policy is actually the thing that seems best in expectation.
[1:41:21] … I think some people … they start doing a thing, and then they're so worried about whether it's the best, that they're just miserable, and they never find out if it is the best thing for them because they're not putting all of their effort in, because they've got one foot out of the door because they think something else could be better.
When you're in a rowboat, you don't want to be constantly rowing (and never steering), nor constantly steering (and never rowing). But there's also an in-between state that's still a failure mode, where you're trying to half-row and half-steer all at the same time.
You'd be way better off by purely rowing for a bit, then purely steering for a bit, then back and forth again, but it causes anxiety to purely row without steering ("what if I'm rowing in the wrong direction!"), and it causes less forward progress to purely steer with no rowing ("I'm not even moving!"). So Alex's solution is to set a policy that looks something like: "For the next minute, I'm going to row hard. After sixty seconds, I'll turn around and steer.
But for the next sixty seconds, I'm not even going to consider that I'm rowing in the wrong direction, because I'm in rowing mode, not steering mode."
And importantly, having the knowledge that you'll be correcting your course sixty seconds from now makes it so much less anxiety-inducing to purely row for sixty seconds straight.
I've used this in situations where it's costly to be thinking about how best ...
Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: Rowing vs steering, published by Saul Munn on August 12, 2024 on LessWrong.
Alex Lawsen used a great metaphor on the
80k After Hours podcast:[1]
[1:38:14] …you're rowing a boat on your own, and you're trying to get somewhere, and you've got some map that you need to look at to see where you're going, I imagine like a map and compass. […] When you're rowing, you're facing back; you can't see where you're going. You've just got to sit there and pull both of the oars, and do that a bunch of times, and then the boat goes forwards. […] You steer [… by pulling] harder with one side, something like that.
I can imagine […] you sitting forwards in the boat, and trying to hold the map with your left hand while it's gripping one oar, and trying to hold the compass with your right hand while it's gripping the other; pushing them rather than pulling them while looking at where you're going; so you're always precisely on track, but my guess is you're just going to go super slowly, because that's not how to row a boat.
Whereas you can imagine someone else, maybe someone that's racing you, who is going to point the boat in pretty much the right direction - they're not exactly sure it's the right direction, and they might go a bit off course. And then they go, "Cool. I'm going to row hard for a minute, and then I'm going to stop and check I'm pointing in the right direction, and then I'm going to row hard for another minute."
[1:37:56] The metaphor is trying to point at … the strategy, [which] is pretty clear: gather some information, make a decision with that information, stick to that decision for some period of time that you've planned in advance, and then reevaluate, gather some more information, and then make a new decision.
[1:35:58] … you [should] stick to some policy, which is like: "I'm going to look at a bunch of things, I'm going to actually seriously consider my options. And then, with all of the information I have, I'm going to make a decision. And I'm going to make the decision to do the thing that seems best for some fixed period of time. At the end of that fixed period of time, then I will consider other options."
[1:47:43] … if you think expected value is a reasonable framework to use, … then I do actually want to say: I think having this kind of policy is actually the thing that seems best in expectation.
[1:41:21] … I think some people … they start doing a thing, and then they're so worried about whether it's the best, that they're just miserable, and they never find out if it is the best thing for them because they're not putting all of their effort in, because they've got one foot out of the door because they think something else could be better.
When you're in a rowboat, you don't want to be constantly rowing (and never steering), nor constantly steering (and never rowing). But there's also an in-between state that's still a failure mode, where you're trying to half-row and half-steer all at the same time.
You'd be way better off by purely rowing for a bit, then purely steering for a bit, then back and forth again, but it causes anxiety to purely row without steering ("what if I'm rowing in the wrong direction!"), and it causes less forward progress to purely steer with no rowing ("I'm not even moving!"). So Alex's solution is to set a policy that looks something like: "For the next minute, I'm going to row hard. After sixty seconds, I'll turn around and steer.
But for the next sixty seconds, I'm not even going to consider that I'm rowing in the wrong direction, because I'm in rowing mode, not steering mode."
And importantly, having the knowledge that you'll be correcting your course sixty seconds from now makes it so much less anxiety-inducing to purely row for sixty seconds straight.
I've used this in situations where it's costly to be thinking about how best ...