140. Stephen Merchant: 6 Foot 7 and Co-Created The Office
Aug 12, 2024
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This week, Stephen Merchant, co-creator of iconic shows like 'The Office' and 'Extras,' joins the conversation. He shares actionable advice for emerging creatives and dives into the behind-the-scenes politics of his successful collaborations with Ricky Gervais. Stephen hilariously recounts a moment from a Hollywood party where he walked through a glass door and teases a stand-up bit about interviewing a pornstar. The discussion also touches on the complexities of comedy casting in the UK versus the US.
Stephen Merchant highlights the benefits of low-budget production, allowing for creative risks that shaped the unique style of The Office.
He emphasizes the importance of vulnerability in storytelling, arguing that revealing one's true self enhances comedic impact and audience connection.
Merchant discusses the difficulties of the casting process, illustrating the resilience needed to navigate artistic visions against institutional barriers.
Deep dives
Stephen Merchant's Comedy Roots
Stephen Merchant discusses his journey in comedy, highlighting how he co-created iconic shows like The Office and Extras with Ricky Gervais. He shares that the initial idea for The Office came from experiences at a radio station, where they improvised skits about office life. The low-budget nature of the original British Office allowed them to take creative risks that defined the series' unique style. Merchant emphasizes the blend of humor and genuine emotion they aimed for, revolutionizing comedic storytelling on television.
The Impact of Low Budgets on Creativity
The podcast touches on the advantages of working with limited resources and how constraints can lead to innovative ideas. Merchant recounts how the BBC allowed them to experiment without significant financial pressures, which gave rise to the distinctive aesthetic of The Office. This environment encouraged them to focus on authenticity rather than production value, cultivating a raw and relatable comedic style. He believes that this approach fosters artistic growth, allowing creators to focus on story and character development.
Transitioning Back to Stand-Up
Merchant is reconnecting with stand-up comedy and shares insights on how to effectively frame stories for performance. He discusses the significance of structuring narratives so that they resonate with audiences, even if they stem from personal experiences that may be dramatic or tragic. Merchant highlights the need for comedians to embrace vulnerability in storytelling, suggesting that revealing one’s authentic self can enhance comedic impact. He emphasizes the importance of practice and revision in honing these stories for delivery.
Experiences in Casting and Career Challenges
The conversation explores the complexities of the casting process in television, with Merchant reflecting on how he navigated the industry. He mentions a personal anecdote about wanting to cast Mike Birbiglia in his show Hello Ladies, which ultimately did not work out due to network decisions. This experience illustrates the challenges creatives face in pursuing the artistic vision against institutional barriers. Merchant candidly shares his lessons learned, emphasizing the importance of resilience and adaptation in the entertainment business.
Reflections on Fame and Identity
Merchant delves into the psychology of comedians and the role that personal insecurities play in their performances. He discusses moments of feeling like an outsider, both in social settings and within the entertainment industry, which often inspires their comedic personas. The conversation highlights the idea that many comedians utilize their awkwardness and unique experiences as material, turning vulnerabilities into relatable humor. Merchant proposes that exploring these themes can provide rich content for both stand-up and television narratives.
This week living legend and giant human Stephen Merchant joins Mike for an all-time great episode of Working It Out. Stephen and Mike talk about actionable advice for creatives starting out, the behind-the-scenes politics of co-creating “The Office" and “Extras” with Ricky Gervais, and how Stephen could turn his story about interviewing a pornstar into stand-up. Plus, the time Stephen walked through a glass door at Sarah Silverman’s Hollywood party.