This is my conversation with Rebecca Rettig and Michael Mosier. Rebecca is the Chief Legal and Policy Officer at Polygon Labs. Michael is cofounder of Arktouros and partner at Ex Ante.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:38) - sponsor: Privy
(00:02:59) - Rebecca's background, the Silk Road case, Aave, Polygon
(00:07:22) - Michael's background, Department of Justice, FinCEN, Espresso Systems, the White House, ex/ante
(00:15:12) - the current regulatory regime, Bank Secrecy Act, sanctions laws, miners/validators
(00:29:30) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:30:40) - genuine DeFi vs onchain CeFi, critical infrastructure
(00:44:54) - Uniswap contracts, app vs protocol, wallet risk scoring, OFAC, Lazarus Group
(00:54:19) - the Security Alliance (SEAL), white hats, working with the FBI
(01:08:04) - why do this work, the ability to innovate in the US is a freedom
(01:12:13) - crypto policy bootcamp
(01:14:00) - outro

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Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#27 – Rebecca Rettig & Michael Mosier: genuine DeFi as critical infrastructure