

Barry Jones and Kerry O'Brien — on complexity, politics and love
4 snips Sep 1, 2025
Barry Jones, a former science minister and thoughtful author, joins renowned journalist Kerry O'Brien for an illuminating discussion. They explore the intricate ties between science, politics, and climate challenges while reflecting on the power of art, particularly Mozart's influence. They draw historical parallels to today's political rhetoric and authoritarianism, delving into American democracy's struggles. Personal stories share insights into love, compassion, and the role of history in shaping our current societal dynamics.
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Music Unlocks Intellectual Depth
- Barry Jones says exposure to great music opens a parallel world that deepens understanding of the cosmos.
- He argues masterpieces' structure and complexity expand the brain's plasticity and humanity.
Complexity Over Simplicity
- Barry Jones stresses moving from simplicity to complexity as central to becoming fully human.
- He warns popular culture's limited language restricts cognitive development and depth.
Act On Ideas, Don't Just Admire Them
- Barry Jones urges active engagement: thinking well must be paired with acting well.
- He tells listeners to take personal responsibility and get involved to save civilisation and the planet.