In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Ben Chiriboga discuss:

Career reinvention for lawyers beyond traditional legal roles
Relationship-building as a foundation for personal and professional success
Internal mindset shifts needed for meaningful career growth
Fear as a driving force behind both success and stagnation

Key Takeaways:

Building a sustainable legal career requires deliberately cultivating professional relationships rather than relying on coincidence or default connections.
Success in and beyond law depends not only on delivering excellent work but also on ensuring others perceive the value of that work.
Many lawyers unknowingly use fear to fuel perfectionism or people-pleasing behaviors, which ultimately leads to emotional burnout and professional dissatisfaction.
Embracing authenticity and aligning your work with personal strengths creates more meaningful opportunities than following narrow conventional paths.

"Some way, somehow you're going to have to face your fear. Either reality will come crashing on you, or... you work with the fear... but there's no getting around it." — Ben Chiriboga

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Episode References:

This Legal Life: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-legal-life-lessons-learned-from-a-life-in-legal/id1679451845

About Ben Chiriboga: Ben Chiriboga is a lawyer turned legal technology executive at Nexl, an all-in-one legal CRM that helps lawyers, marketers, and business development professionals turn their growth ambitions into action.

Alongside his work at Nexl, Ben speaks, writes, and podcasts about the evolution of legal careers. A seasoned conference speaker, Ben presents to legal professionals around the world about the future of law.

Check out Ben’s podcast, This Legal Life, where he interviews legal professionals about their lives in legal.

Connect with Ben Chiriboga:

Website: https://nexl.cloud/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benchiriboga/

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Email: Steve@Fretzin.com

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Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911

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