Intelligence Squared Can the West Hold Together? Lessons from WWII with Tim Bouverie and Michael Gove (Part Two)
Oct 14, 2025
Tim Bouverie, a historian and author of 'Allies at War', and Michael Gove, Editor of The Spectator, delve into the complexities of the WWII Grand Alliance. They discuss how Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin transcended profound ideological rifts to unite against Hitler. The conversation touches on the lessons that this alliance offers today, addressing current geopolitical tensions involving NATO and Russia. Bouverie highlights the dangers of isolationism and draws intriguing parallels between Stalin and Putin, emphasizing the need for cohesive democratic strategies.
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Stalin's Quiet Diplomatic Edge
- Stalin often emerged the winner at Allied summits by speaking little and leveraging strategic advantages like territory and espionage.
- He had advance knowledge from spies and used diplomatic patience to secure gains without grandstanding.
The Alliance Became Uneven By 1943
- Roosevelt began to feel less willing to remain in Churchill's shadow as American strength grew by Tehran 1943.
- This shift transformed the Grand Alliance dynamic into a 'big two and a half' power relationship.
Buffer States Were Security Not Spoils
- Stalin sought buffer states in Eastern Europe as a legalistic security measure rather than a reward for blood sacrifice.
- His mindset prioritized recognized territorial assurances to prevent future invasions.
