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This week's episode is hosted by me, David Spark, producer of CISO Series and Andy Ellis (@csoandy), principal of Duha. Joining us is Sara Madden, CISO, Convera.

In this episode:

Optimizing for reality, not idealism
Engineering governance instead of monitoring compliance
When AI finds what humans miss
The measurement problem

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I Don't Just Guess About Effectiveness, I Make Educated Guesses!