This episode is a conversation with Dr. Jarvis Williams of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. We discuss the phrase "redemptive kingdom diversity" (1:27), a biblical theology of the people of God (4:42), the difference between "race" and "ethnicity," and avoiding extreme positions on personal and corporate responsibility (12:54), the church's mission in pursuing diversity (34:51), how to fight for unity (48:09), and more. Buy Jarvis's books. Church Grammar is presented by the Christian Standard Bible. Intro music: Purple Dinosaur by nobigdyl. Producer: Katie Larson. Brandon D. Smith is Assistant Professor of Theology & New Testament at Cedarville University, a co-founder of the Center for Baptist Renewal, and writes things. You can follow him on Twitter at @brandon_d_smith. You can preorder Brandon's new book, The Trinity in the Book of Revelation: Seeing Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in John's Apocalypse (IVP Academic, 2022). *** This podcast is designed to discuss all sorts of topics from various points of view. Therefore, guests’ views do not always reflect the views of the host, his church, or his institution.