What are the practical implications for trans women after the Supreme Court ruled that under equality law, sex means biological sex? And how is the Labour government grappling with the ruling? Last week we heard from one of the campaigners for single sex spaces. Today we speak to someone who was stunned by the court's decision.

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Guests:

Helen Belcher, Managing Director, TransActual.
Aubrey Allegretti, Chief Political Correspondent,The Times.

Host: Manveen Rana.

Producers:

Rosie Stopher.
Shabnam Grewal.

Further reading: What caused Keir Starmer’s U-turn on whether trans women are women?

Further listening: Defining a woman

Clips: UK Parliament, Times Radio.

Photo: Getty Images.

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