Tangle Suspension of the Rules. - Prolific podcaster Andy Mills joins the show today to talk about The Last Invention and more.
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Dec 12, 2025 
Joining the discussion is Andy Mills, a prolific investigative journalist known for his series The Last Invention, which dives into the complexities and risks of advanced AI. He shares his thoughts on the current state of AI development and debates the possible futures we face, weighing optimistic and doomer perspectives. The conversation also touches on existential questions about superintelligence and the implications of AI governance. Additionally, the hosts discuss recent controversies regarding social media checks and the implications of seizing an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela.
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AGI Is Plausibly Decades Away
- Andy Mills shifted from skepticism to taking AGI seriously after reporting and interviewing experts.
- He believes AGI could arrive within decades and demands broad public debate now.
Race Logic Behind Accelerationism
- Accelerationists argue building AGI here prevents worse actors from doing so irresponsibly.
- They frame rapid development as avoiding global catastrophe by 'good actors' winning the race.
Be Skeptical Of Bold AGI Timelines
- Many predictions from companies are shaped by fundraising incentives and showmanship.
- Andy urges high skepticism toward specific, short AGI timelines pitched by firms.
