Join Jason Pack, host of the Disorder podcast and Middle East expert, as he unpacks the escalating tensions between Iran and Israel. He discusses Israel's recent surprise attacks on Iran's nuclear capabilities and the implications of a U.S.-brokered ceasefire that only treats symptoms of deep-rooted conflicts. Jason highlights how Iran's nuclear ambitions shape regional dynamics and emphasizes the unique opportunity for comprehensive peace amidst shifting geopolitics. His insights offer a fresh perspective on the future of Middle Eastern diplomacy.
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Jason's Kidnapping Detainment
Jason Pack was detained in the Lebanese mountains by armed men demanding a "voluntary donation."
This incident led him to miss a big date, which was not believed by the person he was seeing.
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Israel's Long-Term Nuclear Strike
Israel launched a surprise drone and airstrike attack on Iran's nuclear program after Iran-backed proxies attacked Israel.
Mossad conducted a decades-long operation to infiltrate and spy on Iran's nuclear program, culminating in a devastating attack.
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Medieval Tactic in Modern Warfare
Israel used an ancient intelligence tactic, luring Iran's top brass to a meeting only to eliminate them.
This extreme operation served as retaliation for Iranian-backed proxy attacks on Israel since October 7th, 2025.
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In 'Disorder: Hard Times in the 21st Century', Helen Thompson provides a comprehensive explanation for the recent disruptions in global politics. She argues that the standard explanations for the rise of populist nationalism and authoritarianism are too simplistic and instead examines the large-scale societal shifts, particularly in how the world produces and consumes energy. The book delves into the geopolitical instability caused by the global energy rivalry between the United States, Russia, and China, and how changes in international monetary policy have remade the world economy along fragile fault lines. Thompson concludes that these factors have precipitated the crisis of democracy in Western nations, highlighting how Western governments have become more focused on the consent of plutocrats than their own citizens.
On this Out of the Loop, Jason Pack helps us understand what the conflict between Iran and Israel signifies, and where we can expect it to go from here.
Note: This episode was recorded on June 25, 2025. Given the rapidly evolving nature of the Iran–Israel conflict, please be aware that some developments may have occurred since the time of recording.
Welcome to what we're calling our "Out of the Loop" episodes, where we dig a little deeper into fascinating current events that may only register as a blip on the media's news cycle and have conversations with the people who find themselves immersed in them. Disorder podcast host Jason Pack is here to help us make sense of the recent escalation in conflict between Iran and Israel — how we got here, the dangers and opportunities of the moment, and what we need from world leadership to keep the problem contained.
Israel launched surprise attacks on Iran's nuclear program and leadership, setting back its nuclear capabilities by months to years while demonstrating complete intelligence penetration.
The US brokered a ceasefire between Iran and Israel, but this only addresses symptoms — the underlying regional conflicts and proxy wars remain unresolved.
Iran announced it's accelerating its nuclear program in response to the attacks, following the "Libya lesson" that nuclear weapons provide protection from regime change.
The current moment presents a unique opportunity for comprehensive Middle East peace due to weakened Iranian proxies and shifting regional power dynamics.
Success requires multilateral diplomacy involving Qatar, Europe, Gulf states, and addressing root causes — not just ceasefire management but genuine conflict resolution through shared interests.
And much more!
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