In this episode, we talk to Catherine Ingram about empathic activism, effortlessness, how to stay sane in a crazy world, and her teachers, Papaji and Leonard Cohen.

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Here are links to some of the many songs discussed during this interview: "Crazy on You" – Heart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADAeIokKKNs "What About Me" – Quicksilver Messenger Service https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4RBB07S5Jo "Eve of Destruction" – Barry McGuire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdWGp3HQVjU "Waiting For the Miracle" – Leonard Cohen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXvG0SMP7tw "Boogie Street" – Leonard Cohen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6wdRLuzPJ0 NOTE: The actual song that Stuart Schwartz used to play in his Satsangs was not "Boogie Street," but actually "A Thousand Kisses Deep," which also contains the lyric, "back on Boogie Street." Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xwqpo-EJXs

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