Leveraged Bitcoin Equities Over Bitcoin? with Reed Wommack | SLP663

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May 23, 2025

Reed Wommack, Owner and CEO of Groundluxe and former head of customer success at Swan Bitcoin, shares his fascinating journey into the Bitcoin world. He discusses why investing in Bitcoin treasury companies may be more advantageous than buying Bitcoin directly. Reed highlights the risks of leveraging debt, the impact of capital gains tax on investment strategies, and emphasizes the importance of a long-term perspective. He also explores Bitcoin's potential to dominate equity markets, offering valuable insights for aggressive investors.

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ANECDOTE

Reed's Bitcoin & Career Journey

Reed Wommack began his Bitcoin journey in 2019, diving deep into Austrian economics and Bitcoin philosophy.
He worked at Swan Bitcoin before acquiring Groundluxe, a grounding products company using Bitcoin as its financial base.

INSIGHT

Why Invest in Bitcoin Treasury Companies

Reed chooses to invest in Bitcoin treasury companies instead of directly holding Bitcoin.
He leverages the alpha potential from companies acquiring Bitcoin via debt and cash flow rather than base Bitcoin volatility alone.

INSIGHT

Debt's Role in Bitcoin Investing

Reed reconsidered debt views after observing MicroStrategy taking on debt and outperforming Bitcoin.
Debt can enable capital flow from low-risk to higher-yield allocations, serving a mutually beneficial role.

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Reed Wommack shares his journey into Bitcoin, transitioning from a role at Swan Bitcoin to running Groundluxe, a company focused on grounding products. He discusses the evolving landscape of Bitcoin treasury companies, the risks and rewards associated with leveraging debt for investments, and the importance of a long-term perspective in navigating market cycles. Reed also emphasizes the potential for Bitcoin to dominate the equity market and the impact of capital gains tax on investment strategies. He encourages listeners to consider their risk profiles when adopting aggressive investment strategies.

Takeaways

🔸Reed's journey into Bitcoin began in 2019, leading to a deep interest in Austrian economics.

🔸He transitioned from working at Swan Bitcoin to running Groundluxe, focusing on grounding products.

🔸Reed discusses the strategy of investing in Bitcoin treasury companies rather than directly in Bitcoin.

🔸He emphasizes the importance of understanding the risks associated with leverage in investments.

🔸Reed believes that Bitcoin treasury companies will play a significant role in the future of finance.

🔸He highlights the need for a long-term perspective when investing in Bitcoin-related companies.

🔸The conversation touches on the impact of capital gains tax on investment strategies.

🔸Reed shares insights on how to navigate market cycles and the importance of cash flow.

🔸He discusses the potential for Bitcoin to become the dominant asset in the equity market.

🔸Reed encourages listeners to consider their risk profiles when adopting aggressive investment strategies.

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Intro

(00:40) - Who is Reed Wommack?

(03:47) - Reed’s rationale behind choosing Bitcoin Treasury Companies

(09:25) - Is Debt evil? Risk vs reward considerations in Bitcoin investments

(13:37) - The mechanics of using ‘leverage on leverage’

(16:20) - Sponsors

(19:38) - Is opting for business loans to buy LBEs a good idea?

(22:30) - How many LBEs does GroundLuxe own?

(25:41) - Progression of a Bitcoin Treasury Company

(28:54) - The role of debt in growing GroundLuxe?

(32:34) - Loan durations, deleveraging and timing the cycles

(38:01) - Will the profits be rolled back into Bitcoin?

(40:07) - What is the criteria for selecting a ‘good’ Bitcoin treasury company?; Navigating potential bear cycles

(43:28) - Sponsors

(50:08) - Reed’s opinion on Preferred Shares - $STRK & $STRF

(54:25) - How large can the ‘Bitcoin Treasury Companies’ industry get?

(58:22) - Managing risks in Bitcoin investments

(1:02:47) - Evaluating Bitcoin investment strategies for different investor profiles

(1:08:25) - Closing thoughts

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