This month's episode of A Podcast of One's Own is a little unusual because you'll hear from two guests, who are unaccustomed to the limelight as they work in the UK Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office which is one department of the UK’s national security community.

They're also both mums and in a long term job share.

They talk to Julia about the stereotypes and misconceptions of their work, what it’s really like for women, diversity in national security and how they make job-sharing work in such an important area.

For more on diversity in the intelligence sector:

https://giwl.anu.edu.au/our-research/classified-and-secret

https://giwl.anu.edu.au/our-research/why-do-women-remain-under-represented-international-affairs

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Catherine & Naomi on job sharing & diversity in national security