The Pat Kenny Show “We are the closest we have been to open conflict since World War 2”
Sep 11, 2025
In this enlightening discussion, Kira Rudik, a Ukrainian MP and leader of the Holos Party, shares her firsthand insights on the intensifying Russia-Ukraine conflict. Alongside Duncan Bullivant, CEO of the Henderson Group, they delve into NATO's role in recent drone incursions and Poland's air defense. The conversation highlights President Zelensky's urgent calls for military support from Western allies while discussing the broader geopolitical implications. They emphasize the increasing risks of open conflict, likening the current tensions to a pre-World War 2 scenario.
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Russia Tests NATO With Incremental Probes
- Russia uses incremental probes like airspace incursions to push NATO's reaction threshold higher.
- Kira Rudik warns this tactic signals testing of both military defences and political will in the West.
Drone Swarms Reveal Air-Defence Limits
- Large drone swarms overwhelm limited air defences and reveal capacity gaps quickly.
- Rudik stresses that Ukraine's experience shows Europe must arm Ukraine to better defend the whole region.
Give Ukraine The Air Defences Promised
- Arm Ukraine with promised air-defence systems to strengthen collective European security.
- Rudik argues supplying Ukraine lets it protect Europe's eastern flank more effectively.