4-Quarter Lives initially focused on individuals role modelling the new 3rd Quarter. This episode, however, looks at the impact of longer lives on the one before - that normally insane phase of life from 25 to 50. Avivah Wittenberg-Cox speaks with two men who have consciously stepped back from their full-on and very successful tech careers to live more rounded lives.

Cain Ullah is Founder and former CEO of UK-based digital transformation company Red Badger. Kevin Maguire was an executive with Google for almost a decade. Both were on stellar professional career trajectories. Yet as young fathers in Q2, they have both made big career and life choices. Their aims are to profit from the opportunity to plan and pace longer lives, to be true to the idea of more gender balanced couples and to prioritise work/ family balance more than most prior generations of men were able to do. This is a tale familiar to many women but may encourage listeners of all genders to rethink their Q2 career strategy. Having taken this decision, Kevin has also decided to write about it, and produces a regular and fascinating newsletter on Substack, which he calls The New Fatherhood.

Some Useful Links

* For Kevin’s blog:

* For Red Badger: https://red-badger.com

* Follow Kevin on Twitter: @kevmaguire

* Follow Cain on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cainullah/

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Cain Ullah and Kevin Maguire: This is Q2 - Men Rethink Work/Family Balance