A CIA Spy in Syria, and US Responses to Russian, Chinese and Other Adversary Hacking
Apr 22, 2021
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Washington Post journalist Joby Warrick discusses an extraordinary CIA operation in Syria and former NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers talks about US responses to Russian, Chinese, and other adversary hacking.
The CIA recruited a top scientist developing nerve agent sarin in Syria's chemical weapons program, who provided crucial information about the country's chemical arsenal, which later became crucial in managing the threat of the weapons falling into wrong hands.
The podcast highlights the challenges faced in the cyber domain, including the difficulty of defining acceptable norms, the need for international cooperation, and the ongoing challenge of ensuring appropriate oversight and preventing escalation in offensive cyber operations.
Deep dives
The Syrian Chemical Weapons Program and the CIA's Spy Story
The podcast episode discusses the story of a spy recruited by the CIA from Syria's chemical weapons program. The spy, a top scientist developing nerve agent sarin, provided extensive information about Syria's chemical arsenal to the CIA. The information seemed irrelevant until the outbreak of the Arab Spring and the Syrian Civil War. The fear of dangerous non-state actors gaining control of the chemical weapons prompted the need to secure and remove them. However, direct military action was not viable due to the risks of spreading the chemical agents. Ultimately, the information provided by the spy became crucial in managing the threat of the chemical weapons falling into the wrong hands.
Intelligence and Espionage - Challenges and Offensive Capabilities in Cyberspace
The podcast also delves into discussions on intelligence, espionage, and cyber operations. An interview with Admiral Mike Rogers, former head of the NSA and Cyber Command, explores the challenges faced in the cyber domain. The attacker's advantage in cyberspace, the constraints imposed by legal and democratic structures, and the need for self-imposed constraints are highlighted. The difficulty of defining acceptable norms in cyberspace and the need for international cooperation are also discussed. The offensive cyber capabilities employed by various nations, including the US, are acknowledged, but ensuring appropriate oversight and preventing escalation remain ongoing challenges.
The CIA, Reporters, and Deep State Allegations
The podcast episode also sheds light on the relationship between the CIA and reporters, as well as the concept of a deep state. It is emphasized that the CIA has public affairs officers who interact with the press and negotiate the sharing of information. The importance of anonymous sources in intelligence reporting is acknowledged, along with the stringent verification processes followed by journalists. The spectrum of political beliefs within the CIA is highlighted, dispelling the notion of a monolithic agency. The patriotic dedication of CIA officials to the country is noted, despite the challenges and risks associated with their work.
This week, in the debut edition of the SpyTalk podcast, co-host Jeff Stein talks to the Washington Post’s Joby Warrick about an extraordinary CIA operation in Syria, as told in his new book, Red Line. Jeff and co-host Jeanne Meserve also discuss the Biden administration’s recent expulsion of suspected Russian spies, then Jeanne talks with former NSA Director and Cyber Command chief Admiral Mike Rogers about Chinese, Russian and other hackers’ infiltration of U.S. computer networks.