The Case for Overpopulation with Matthew Yglesias (S3 Ep.8)
Mar 26, 2022
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Matthew Yglesias, co-founder of Vox and columnist for Bloomberg Opinion, discusses his book 'One Billion Americans: The Case for Thinking Bigger', which argues for increasing the US population through higher birth rates and increased immigration. The podcast also explores the dynamics between the right and left, the declining birth rate, marriage penalties, and the economic impact of immigration.
Low-skilled immigration does not negatively impact wages for native workers, as evidenced by the study on the Mario Boatlift.
Personal preferences should not overshadow the factual understanding of the economic impacts of immigration.
Local opt-in immigration systems can allow communities to decide whether they want to attract more immigrants or maintain their current demographics.
Deep dives
The Economic Impact of Immigration: Lessons from the Mario Boatlift
The podcast episode discusses the empirical study conducted on the impact of the Mario Boatlift, where 150,000 low-skilled Cubans migrated to Miami in a short period of time. The study found that there was no negative impact on wages for non-Cuban, Hispanic high school dropouts, which challenges the common concern that low-skilled immigration drives down wages for native workers. This example highlights the benign economic impact of immigration and suggests that the fears are unfounded.
Cultural Change and Immigration Preferences
The episode addresses the discomfort that some individuals may feel when their communities undergo cultural change due to immigration. While it is understandable for people to have their preferences and tastes, it is important to differentiate between personal preferences and factual understanding of the economic impacts of immigration. The discussion highlights the importance of basing policy decisions on accurate information rather than subjective sentiments.
Proposal for Local Opt-In Immigration Systems
One proposed solution presented in the podcast is the concept of local opt-in immigration systems. This would allow cities and communities to decide whether they want to attract more immigrants or opt-out if they prefer to remain unchanged. This approach would provide opportunities for communities to embrace change or retain their current demographics. It is suggested that communities open to diversity and immigration are more likely to thrive in the long run.
Strengths and weaknesses of China's system
China's system has strengths in terms of its economic decisions made in the past, but recent decision making has raised concerns. China's dictatorship and lack of leadership turnover pose as weaknesses.
Declining birth rates and their reasons
Birth rates are declining globally due to multiple reasons, including secularization, increased women's equality, and changing economic factors. The rising costs of labor-intensive aspects like childcare and education contribute to the trend. However, it raises the question of whether society values fewer children and increased access to streaming media over supporting family life. Policies like a child allowance could help increase the birth rate.
My guest today is Matthew Yglesias. As many of you may know, Matt was the co-founder of Vox, along with Ezra Klein, who I had on the show last year. Matt is also a columnist for Bloomberg Opinion and writes The Slow Boring blog and newsletter on substack.
In this episode, Matt talks about why he left Vox for substack and we discuss Matt's book "One Billion Americans: The Case for Thinking Bigger", in which Matt argues that America should increase its population by means of increasing the native birth rate, as well as increasing immigration. I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did.
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