In this episode, Antonio and Ward discuss recent updates, with Antonio revealing that he recently came down with COVID. He also shares his newfound love for creating photo zines using Blurb. Ward speaks about his latest book purchase, "The Workers" by Lee Friedlander from Steidl Publishing. Intrigued by Ward's choice, Antonio decides to be a copycat and orders the same book, along with another one by Evelyn Hofer.

Ward plans to create a spontaneous and loose zine during a trip to visit his mother in Saskatchewan, capturing everything he encounters along the way. He also shares that he's been invited by a camera store in Calgary to give a talk about his process of creating a photo book, which came about after meeting with Ted Forbes and Evelyn Drake.

Antonio and Ward then delve into the intriguing world of composition in photography. Antonio, as a photography instructor, talks about his desire to instill a deeper understanding of composition in his students. They discuss the difference in their own paths of learning, with Antonio having a formal education in photography and Ward learning through exploration. They emphasize the importance of composition as the linchpin for a captivating photograph. They stress the need to move beyond the "snapshot" approach and encourage budding photographers to take their time, observe, and envision the image they want to create. While acknowledging the value of rules like the rule of thirds, they emphasize that composition is a lifelong learning process that requires time and dedication. The discussion touches on the impact of Instagram and square format, but overall, they express the need to focus on composition to create impactful and resonant images.