Author Zadie Smith discusses her new book 'The Fraud' with Emily Bazelon, exploring themes of justice and fiction. They delve into the Titchborne trial's impact on Zadie, confinement of women in the past, exploring relationships and identity, dividing attributes and motives in a novel, and the role of writers and storytellers in society.
The Fraud explores the themes of truth and fiction, questioning the authenticity of the characters and highlighting the idea that everyone has a certain level of fraudulence.
The struggle for rights involves numerous people with varying motivations and strengths, and even smaller contributions to social change hold significance.
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The Fraud: Exploring Truth and Fiction
The podcast episode discusses Zadie Smith's new historical novel, The Fraud. Set in the 19th century, the novel centers around the Titchborn trial, where a man claiming to be the heir to a wealthy English family emerges. Smith describes the novel as an exploration of the themes of truth and fiction, questioning who in the book is not a fraud and delving into the idea that everyone has a certain level of fraudulence. She also draws parallels between the Titchborn case, the O.J. Simpson trial, and the political rise of figures like Donald Trump, highlighting the captivating power of individuals who present themselves as something other than they truly are.
The Importance of Rights and Social Change
Smith discusses the importance of exploring the concept of rights and the order in which they are pursued. She challenges the idea of a linear progression of rights, suggesting that all individuals deserve their rights simultaneously and that the lack of simultaneous progress creates frustration and repression. Smith emphasizes that the struggle for rights involves numerous people with varying motivations and strengths, illustrating that even smaller contributions to social change hold significance. She also reflects on the need for collective action and the quantity of people involved in effecting change.
Characters and their Inner Complexities
The podcast delves into the complex relationships between characters in The Fraud. Smith explores the multifaceted nature of identity and how it influences personal connections. She describes characters like Eliza Touche, a widowed housekeeper and abolitionist, who struggles to be heard and understood. Smith also examines the boundaries and limitations imposed by race, class, and gender in these relationships. Additionally, she highlights the role of writers in providing a nuanced understanding of individuals, offering a more complex portrayal that goes beyond the superficial assumptions often made in politics and society.
Emily Bazelon talks with author Zadie Smith about her new book, The Fraud. They discuss what happens when justice comes through an unjust symbol, how much Zadie does and doesn’t know about her characters, and more.
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