The Nonlinear Library: LessWrong LW - CIV: a story by Richard Ngo
Jun 16, 2024
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Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: CIV: a story, published by Richard Ngo on June 16, 2024 on LessWrong.
The room was cozy despite its size, with wood-lined walls reflecting the dim lighting. At one end, a stone fireplace housed a roaring fire; in the middle stood a huge oak table. The woman seated at the head of it rapped her gavel. "I hereby call to order the first meeting of the Parliamentary Subcommittee on Intergalactic Colonization. We'll start with brief opening statements, for which each representative will be allocated one minute, including - "
"Oh, enough with the pomp, Victoria. It's just the four of us." The representative for the Liberal Democrats waved his hand around the nearly-empty room.
Victoria sniffed. "It's important, Stuart. This is a decision that will have astronomical implications. And it's recorded, besides, so we should do things by the book. Carla, you're up first."
The woman at the end of the table stood with a smile. "Thank you, Victoria. I'm speaking on behalf of the Labour party, and I want to start by reminding you all of our place in history. We stand here in a world that has been shaped by centuries of colonialism. Now we're considering another wave of colonization, this one far vaster in scale. We need to - "
"Is this just a linguistic argument?" the fourth person at the table drawled. "We can call it something different if that would make you feel better. Say, universe settlement."
"Like the settlements in Palestine?"
"Oh, come on, Carla."
"No, Milton, this is a crucial point. We're talking about the biggest power grab the world has ever seen. You think Leopold II was bad when he was in charge of the Congo? Imagine what people will do if you give each of them total power over a whole solar system! Even libertarians like you have to admit it would be a catastrophe. If there's any possibility that we export oppression from earth across the entire universe, we should burn the rockets and stay home instead."
"Okay, thank you Carla," Victoria cut in. "That's time. Stuart, you're up next."
Stuart stood. "Speaking on behalf of the Liberal Democrats, I have to admit this is a tricky one. The only feasible way to send humans out to other galaxies is as uploaded minds, but many of our usual principles break for them. I want civilization to be democratic, but what does 'one person one vote' even mean when people can copy and paste themselves? I want human rights for all, but what do human rights even mean when you can just engineer minds who don't want those rights?"
"So as much as I hate the idea of segregating civilization, I think it's necessary. Biological humans should get as much territory as we will ever use. But realistically, given the lightspeed constraint, we're never going to actually want to leave the Milky Way. Then the rest of the Virgo Supercluster should be reserved for human uploads. Beyond that, anything else we can reach we should fill with as much happiness and flourishing as possible, no matter how alien it seems to us.
After all, as our esteemed predecessor John Stuart Mill once said…" He frowned, and paused for a second. "...as he said, the sole objective of government should be the greatest good for the greatest number." Stuart sat, looking a little disquieted.
"Thank you, Stuart. I'll make my opening statement next." Victoria stood and leaned forward, sweeping her eyes across the others. "I'm here representing the Conservatives. It's tempting to think that we can design a good society with just the right social engineering, just the right nudges. But the one thing we conservatives know for sure is: it won't work. Whatever clever plan you come up with, it won't be stable.
Given the chance, people will push towards novelty and experimentation and self-modification, and the whole species will end up drifting towards something alien and inhuman.
"Hard ru...
Welcome to The Nonlinear Library, where we use Text-to-Speech software to convert the best writing from the Rationalist and EA communities into audio. This is: CIV: a story, published by Richard Ngo on June 16, 2024 on LessWrong.
The room was cozy despite its size, with wood-lined walls reflecting the dim lighting. At one end, a stone fireplace housed a roaring fire; in the middle stood a huge oak table. The woman seated at the head of it rapped her gavel. "I hereby call to order the first meeting of the Parliamentary Subcommittee on Intergalactic Colonization. We'll start with brief opening statements, for which each representative will be allocated one minute, including - "
"Oh, enough with the pomp, Victoria. It's just the four of us." The representative for the Liberal Democrats waved his hand around the nearly-empty room.
Victoria sniffed. "It's important, Stuart. This is a decision that will have astronomical implications. And it's recorded, besides, so we should do things by the book. Carla, you're up first."
The woman at the end of the table stood with a smile. "Thank you, Victoria. I'm speaking on behalf of the Labour party, and I want to start by reminding you all of our place in history. We stand here in a world that has been shaped by centuries of colonialism. Now we're considering another wave of colonization, this one far vaster in scale. We need to - "
"Is this just a linguistic argument?" the fourth person at the table drawled. "We can call it something different if that would make you feel better. Say, universe settlement."
"Like the settlements in Palestine?"
"Oh, come on, Carla."
"No, Milton, this is a crucial point. We're talking about the biggest power grab the world has ever seen. You think Leopold II was bad when he was in charge of the Congo? Imagine what people will do if you give each of them total power over a whole solar system! Even libertarians like you have to admit it would be a catastrophe. If there's any possibility that we export oppression from earth across the entire universe, we should burn the rockets and stay home instead."
"Okay, thank you Carla," Victoria cut in. "That's time. Stuart, you're up next."
Stuart stood. "Speaking on behalf of the Liberal Democrats, I have to admit this is a tricky one. The only feasible way to send humans out to other galaxies is as uploaded minds, but many of our usual principles break for them. I want civilization to be democratic, but what does 'one person one vote' even mean when people can copy and paste themselves? I want human rights for all, but what do human rights even mean when you can just engineer minds who don't want those rights?"
"So as much as I hate the idea of segregating civilization, I think it's necessary. Biological humans should get as much territory as we will ever use. But realistically, given the lightspeed constraint, we're never going to actually want to leave the Milky Way. Then the rest of the Virgo Supercluster should be reserved for human uploads. Beyond that, anything else we can reach we should fill with as much happiness and flourishing as possible, no matter how alien it seems to us.
After all, as our esteemed predecessor John Stuart Mill once said…" He frowned, and paused for a second. "...as he said, the sole objective of government should be the greatest good for the greatest number." Stuart sat, looking a little disquieted.
"Thank you, Stuart. I'll make my opening statement next." Victoria stood and leaned forward, sweeping her eyes across the others. "I'm here representing the Conservatives. It's tempting to think that we can design a good society with just the right social engineering, just the right nudges. But the one thing we conservatives know for sure is: it won't work. Whatever clever plan you come up with, it won't be stable.
Given the chance, people will push towards novelty and experimentation and self-modification, and the whole species will end up drifting towards something alien and inhuman.
"Hard ru...