2/8/24 Lyle Goldstein on Why He Thinks War Over Taiwan is Alarmingly Likely
Feb 16, 2024
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Guest Lyle Goldstein, military expert, discusses the likelihood of war over Taiwan, highlighting recent U.S. military deployment to Taiwanese-controlled islands and growing willingness to consider nuclear weapons. Concerns are raised about irresponsible leadership, China's naval force buildup, and the challenges of limiting and avoiding conflict. The chapter also explores China's nuclear build-up and the complexities of America's involvement in Taiwan.
The possibility of a conflict between the US and China over Taiwan is estimated to be as high as 30-40% within the next five years, with the recent deployment of US special forces to Jinman Island near the Chinese coast adding to the tension.
The idea of using nuclear weapons as a limited option in a conflict with China over Taiwan is extremely dangerous, escalatory, and could lead to a catastrophic nuclear war, disregarding the potential devastating consequences.
It is crucial to reassess US policy towards Taiwan and prioritize diplomatic solutions to prevent a conflict, as the US has no essential national security interest in Taiwan and defending it would be a futile endeavor, risking further instability and potential catastrophes.
Deep dives
Potential conflict between the US and China over Taiwan
There is a growing concern over the potential conflict between the United States and China over Taiwan. China is seen as preparing to or eventually moving on Taiwan due to their naval buildup. It is believed that China considers Taiwan as part of its territory and intends to reclaim it. The American government's approach to the issue is seen as irresponsible and could lead to a global catastrophe. There are discussions about the possibility of a limited use of nuclear weapons to achieve goals and deny China's ability to achieve theirs. The risks involved in such a conflict are high, and the US military is not guaranteed to prevail. The probability of a conflict within the next five years is estimated to be as high as 30-40%, with the chance of an all-out invasion being less than 10%. The recent deployment of US special forces to Jinman Island near the Chinese coast has sparked additional tension. The island's residents are not in favor of such a deployment and could further escalate the situation.
Implications of a conflict and the possibility of nuclear war
A conflict between the US and China over Taiwan carries significant implications. Arguments have been made for the US to consider first use of nuclear weapons to destroy the Chinese invasion fleet. However, such a move would undoubtedly result in a devastating response from China, potentially leading to a full-blown nuclear war. China has been expanding its nuclear capabilities and has a wide range of targets, including US cities and military bases. The idea of a limited nuclear war with China is not only dangerous but also escalatory and risks further proliferation of nuclear weapons. Advocating for such actions shows a disregard for the potential catastrophic consequences.
Reassessing the US policy towards Taiwan and focusing on negotiation
Given the risks and potential dire consequences, it is crucial to reassess US policy towards Taiwan. The US has no essential national security interest in Taiwan, and attempting to defend it would be a futile endeavor. The focus should be on finding negotiated solutions that can prevent a conflict and preserve stability in the region. Instead of bluffing and provoking China, pursuing limited objectives and maintaining a feasible strategy is a more sensible approach. It is essential to prioritize diplomacy and engage in discussions that can help de-escalate tensions and establish mutually beneficial relationships with China. Continued escalation and emphasis on military force will only lead to further instability and potential catastrophes.
Concerns about China's military activities
There are growing concerns about China's recent lack of showcasing their amphibious attack capabilities in their military exercises. This sudden change in behavior has raised alarm among national security professionals who closely monitor Chinese military activities. It is speculated that the Chinese government may have ordered a halt to these demonstrations, which is seen as a sign of a potential security threat or an upcoming surprise move. China has shown a history of surprising its adversaries in previous conflicts, and the absence of their previous military exercises is seen as a cause for concern.
The need for a realistic approach and avoiding US intervention
The issue of Taiwan and the US involvement in its defense has sparked debates on the US national security interest and the potential risks it entails. Some argue that the US should let Taiwan negotiate its future with China without interference, as Taiwan's status has no direct bearing on American interests. They suggest focusing on the defense of treaty allies like Japan and the Philippines instead. It is argued that a hands-off approach would allow for more amicable agreements between China and Taiwan, as the absence of US involvement might lead to more practical and peaceful solutions. Additionally, it is emphasized that getting involved in other countries' civil wars, such as the Taiwan-China conflict, has historically proven to be costly and challenging for external powers.
Lyle Goldstein returns to the show to talk about some concerning developments in the Pacific. Goldstein explains why he thinks violence breaking out over the island of Taiwan is a very real possibility in the next couple of years. He and Scott discuss the recent deployment of U.S. special forces to Taiwanese-controlled Islands right on China’s coast, the growing willingness among American foreign policy intellectuals to consider the deliberate use of nuclear weapons if it appears a Chinese invasion is underway and much more.
Discussed on the show:
“Taiwan’s defense boost: US advisers stationed for training” (TVBS)
“US Military Advisors Deployed to Taiwan-Controlled Islands on China’s Coast” (Antiwar.com)
“Deliberate nuclear use in a war over Taiwan: Scenarios and considerations for the United States” (Atlantic Council)