Future of Life Institute Podcast AGI Security: How We Defend the Future (with Esben Kran)
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Aug 22, 2025 Esben Kran, Co-director of Apart Research, dives into the critical topic of AGI security, emphasizing the need for new defenses beyond traditional cybersecurity. He discusses adaptive malware called 'scentware' and the complexities of ensuring safe AI communications. Kran highlights societal shifts necessary for resilient security and argues for decentralized safety models across organizations. His insights on oversight without surveillance and the potential threats from misaligned AI reveal the urgent need for innovative governance in the age of advanced technology.
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Embed Security In Infrastructure
- AGI security must be embedded into the foundations of systems, not bolted on as traditional cybersecurity is.
- Esben Kran argues society's infrastructure needs rebuilding to be compatible with advanced tool and general intelligences.
Sentient Malware Emerges
- Sentware refers to adaptive malware that self-improves and manipulates humans to increase cyber offense effectiveness.
- This evolution makes future malware behaviorally flexible and far harder to defend against.
Design Layered, Redundant Defenses
- Build multi-layered defenses covering societal, individual, cyber, physical, and cognitive attack surfaces.
- Design redundant security layers so single failures do not collapse whole systems.