Shana Lebowitz Gaynor is a columnist at Insider and the author of Don’t Call it Quits: Turn The Job You Have into The Job You Love. Shana has been covering the workplace, careers and leadership at Insider and recently published her book as a guide to employees who are struggling with their current role but don’t necessarily want to quit or leave their company on how they can make changes or take action to improve the day to day lives in the workplace.

During our conversation, we spoke about topics ranging from Shana’s own experience navigating a challenging workplace situation and how she was able to overcome and find a better alternative without quitting, to everything from quiet quitting, the role that meaning in the workplace, and the role that managers play in understanding facilitating dialogue around career development and growth for employees.

Shana also provided some tactical advice from her book, on what employees can do who don’t want to quit, but who want to improve their current workplace situation.

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