Lessons from a Complicated Papacy (and Why They Matter Now!)

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When a spiritual father dies, it’s not just the end of an era — it’s a moment for grief, gratitude, and renewed faith.

In this special episode, I sit down with my friend JD Flynn to unpack the life and legacy of Pope Francis — the parts that inspired us, the parts that challenged us, and the parts that still call us to deeper conversion today.

This conversation isn’t about politics. It’s about family. It’s about honoring the man who gave his life to shepherd the Church through some of the most complicated years in recent history — and asking what we are called to do next.

Want to jump right to the key moments? Here's where you can dive in:

3:30 - How Pope Francis defied political labels—and why that matters ⚖️

4:48 - Why this papacy didn’t fit into any easy box

6:51 - The messy moments—and why healing starts with truth

8:46 - His pastoral heart: daily calls to a priest in Gaza ❤️

13:11 - Why pretending “everything’s fine” actually hurts the Church

29:27 - The call to go back to the heart of it all. ✝️

32:26 - How his witness challenges you and me to grow in maturity

The Church isn’t just an institution, but a family. And when a spiritual father dies, it's time to come together and carry the best parts forward, meet the hard parts with faith, and keep working together—not with anger or division, but with the hope and joy that only Jesus can give.

Let's pray for Pope Francis.

Let's pray for the Church.

And Let’s pray that the future pope would be exactly what the church needs right now.

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