Elizabeth Popp Berman joins us to discuss how what she calls the "economic style of reasoning" came to dominate US political debates in the 20th century, and the way it continues to constrain what is understood to be politically possible. Elizabeth Popp Berman is Associate Professor of Organizational Studies at the University of Michigan. FInd her new book, Thinking Like An Economist: How Efficiency Replaced Equality in U.S. Public Policy, here: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691167381/thinking-like-an-economist# As always, support Death Panel at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Pre-orders are now live for Bea and Artie's book! Pre-order HEALTH COMMUNISM here: bit.ly/3Af2YaJ Death Panel merch here (patrons get a discount code): www.deathpanel.net/merch join our Discord here: discord.com/invite/3KjKbB2