Dr. John Vervaeke and Brendan Graham Dempsey explore the intricacies of meaning, spirituality, and the human experience. The episode commences with a succinct recap of their previous discussion, touching on Neoplatonism and Zen, before diving into Brendan's recent work on the concept of meaning. The conversation spans a wide array of topics, from the epistemic aspects of meaning to the philosophical underpinnings of mindfulness and meditation. The duo also delves into the influence of historical figures like Plotinus, Dante, and Proclus, examining how their ideas can be integrated into a modern understanding of spirituality. With a focus on the potential for a synthesis between cutting-edge science and ancient wisdom, this episode offers a fresh perspective on some of the most pressing questions of our time.

Brendan Graham Dempsey is a respected voice in the realm of metamodern spirituality. With a BA from the University of Vermont and a master's degree in religion from Yale, he brings a strong academic background to his work. Authoring the influential 7-volume "Metamodern Spirituality Series" and host of its companion podcast, Dempsey is a thought leader who navigates the intricate corridors of post-postmodern culture.

Resources:

Brendan Graham Dempsey: Website | YouTube | Facebook

Books:

Aspects of Truth: A New Religious Metaphysics - Catherine Pickstock

Bonaventure: The Soul's Journey into God, The Tree of Life, The Life of St. Francis

Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation - Rick Repetti (Editor)

God Without Being - Jean-Luc Marion

Plato's Critique of Impure Reason: On Goodness and Truth in the Republic - D.C. Schindler

Publications:

The phenomenological given and the hermeneutic exchange: which holds priority? - Catherine Pickstock

Videos:

Metamodern Spirituality | Updating Neoplatonic Spirituality (w/ John Vervaeke) Part 1

Neoplatonism and the Path of Transformation | Dr. John Vervaeke

The Cognitive Science Show | Transcendent Naturalism Series

Misc:

PLOTINUS, Ennead, Volume IV

Auguries of Innocence by William Blake | Poetry Foundation

People:

Timecodes:

00:00:20 — Dr. John Vervaeke introduces Brendan Graham Dempsey and revisits the topics of Neoplatonism and Zen from the previous conversation, which can be found on Dempsey’s YouTube channel.

00:02:30 — Dempsey outlines his work in metamodern spirituality and post-postmodernism.

00:06:35 — Dr. Vervaeke discusses the model of meaning, focusing on its epistemic aspects.

00:08:20 — Adding a layer of depth to the conversation, especially regarding a cosmological view, Brendan shares his fascination with historical figures like Plotinus, Pseudo-Dionysius, and Dante.

00:10:00 — A constructivist Piagetian developmental framework is introduced by Dempsey, shifting the conversation towards understanding the developmental aspects of meaning.

00:14:00 — The topic shifts to conformity as Vervaeke discusses its role in drawing something out of the subject. He also calls for more discourse around the Neoplatonic framework.

00:15:20 — Brendan expresses excitement about the potential of Neoplatonism in contemporary times.

00:21:00 — A mystical experience from the Ennead, IV by Plotinus, is brought up, opening the door to a discussion on the nature of mystical experiences. Dr. Vervaeke responds with an analogy about complexification, adding scientific rigor to the spiritual discussion.

00:28:11 — Dempsey introduces the concept of a principle of differentiation, suggesting that experiencing this principle could lead to a mystical experience.

00:30:44 — Referencing his work on mindfulness and the philosophy of meditation, Vervaeke introduces the idea of two movements in mindfulness practice.

00:37:36 — Dr. Vervaeke expands on Brendan's point about the contextual relationship of an individual's experience, discussing the idea of complexification.

00:44:10 — Dante's work is discussed and the concept of agape, a form of love that alters the direction of relevance realization.

00:51:28 — Brendan Graham Dempsey discusses the face as a representation of meaning, suggesting that it acts as a portal to increasing meaning.

00:58:30 — Dr. Vervaeke discusses the limitations of science when it comes to probing into its own presuppositions, introducing the concept of truths that are only disclosed through significant transformation.

01:01:03 — Brendan introduces the topic of the narrative that science provides about the origins of the universe, including the Big Bang, adding a cosmological layer to the discussion.

01:09:25 — The conversation shifts to exclusivity claims and how they can mislead us into believing something is more than just indispensable, but rather metaphysically necessary.

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