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“How Do We Relate to Our Ghosts?” - Kris Manjapra’s Black Ghost of Empire, Demystifying Emancipation, Excavating Pan-Africanism
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Quick takeaways
- Dr. Kris Manjapra's work reveals that legal emancipation often preserved the interests of slave owners rather than granting true freedom to Black individuals.
- The podcast challenges the misconception that Northern states were free from slavery, illustrating their deep economic ties to the institution of racial bondage.
- Black communities historically engaged in proactive demands for reparations through petitions and grassroots movements, highlighting a legacy of organized resistance and justice-seeking.
Deep dives
Global Emancipation Processes and Reparations
The podcast discusses a comparative study of global emancipation processes and their implications for modern reparations movements, particularly as articulated in Dr. Chris Manjapra's book, 'Black Ghosts of Empire.' The narrative emphasizes that traditional views of emancipation often overlook how these processes were designed to benefit the interests of the slave-owning class rather than genuinely free enslaved individuals. This materialist approach highlights that emancipation frequently led to new forms of indebtedness and delayed true freedom for Black people. By exploring the historical context of these legal frameworks, it becomes evident that reparations must address these systemic inequities built into the foundations of liberation.
Failures of Northern Emancipations
The episode confronts the misconception that the Northern United States were largely free of slavery, outlining how the gradual emancipations from 1777 to 1865 did not fundamentally eradicate the system of racial bondage. Even after legal emancipation, many Black individuals in the North continued to face forced labor and systemic oppression under deceptive new forms of bondage. Dr. Manjapra uses examples from New England to illustrate how the wealth of Northern states was intricately linked to slavery, demonstrating the interlocking systems that upheld racial capitalism. This understanding underscores the importance of recognizing historical slave economies in the narrative surrounding emancipation.
Community Responses to Systemic Failures
The podcast highlights how Black communities historically organized demanding reparations and rights, often resorting to petitions and legal avenues that met with systemic failures. These early petitions for land, family reunification, and financial reparations illustrate an active engagement with the state, seeking justice before widespread rebellion erupted. The episode discusses notable figures and movements that emerged during this period, emphasizing that demands for reparations were not simply reactive but rather proactive efforts rooted in deep community engagement. The narrative illustrates how these grassroots movements were instrumental in shaping the discourse around reparations and justice.
The Concept of 'Ghost Lining'
Dr. Manjapra introduces the concept of 'ghost lining,' which reflects how racial power operates through division and maldistribution in society. This idea examines how certain histories, primarily those of Black people, are systematically marginalized or misrepresented, while narratives favoring the slave-owning classes are overrepresented. By discussing how narratives of emancipation often erase the true experiences of the enslaved, Dr. Manjapra emphasizes the necessity of centering these marginalized voices in historical discussions. This critical perspective ensures a deeper understanding of the lasting impacts of slavery on contemporary social structures.
Pan-Africanist Thought and Reparative Justice
The episode reflects on early Pan-Africanist activists and their role in shaping the reparations movement, highlighting figures such as Paul Cuffee and Martin Delaney. The discussion emphasizes that Pan-Africanism provides a holistic framework for understanding reparatory justice as interconnected across nations and histories. Dr. Manjapra notes that radical movements aspire to systemic transformation instead of mere modifications to the status quo, advocating for the collective benefits of disadvantaged communities. This perspective reinforces the importance of solidarity and a shared vision for justice that transcends geographical and cultural divisions.
In this episode we interview Dr. Kris Manjapra.
Kris Manjapra works at the intersection of transnational history and the critical study of race and colonialism. He is the author of five books, in this episode we discuss his comparative study of global emancipation processes and the implications for reparations movement today: Black Ghost of Empire: The Long Death of Slavery and the Failure of Emancipation.
In addition to his scholarly work, he is the founder of a site-based nonprofit, Black History in Action, dedicated to the restoration and reactivation of a Black cultural heritage center in Cambridge, MA. Kris also co-organizes a free online community certificate course, entitled Black Futures Matter, serving people’s assemblies across the US and the Caribbean.
Our conversation with Manjapra focuses on Black Ghosts of Empire and on unsettling our mystified and highly inaccurate dominant views of emancipation processes globally. Dr. Manjapra walks us through the origin and history of the legal apparatus of emancipation and takes a materialist approach to analyzing whose interests were served through these processes to demonstrate how these historical shifts preserved and upheld the interests of slave owners. He also demonstrates the various ways that emancipation processes were designed to place Black people into a state of indebtedness and delay their freedom from bondage. This is an excellent discussion for thinking through the ways that the white supremacist capitalist state and the property owning classes seek to respond to crises in ways that preserve existing hierarchies and power relations.
We also discuss many of the vibrant Black abolitionist movements that demanded, organized, and struggled for alternative futures. Taking a look at some of the earliest Pan Africanist and Black Feminist thinkers, cultural workers, and organizers Manjapra stitches together a rich tapestry of movement lineage that carries into the current ongoing struggles for reparations for slavery and its long afterlives.
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Links to some companion conversations:
Rinaldo Walcott - On Black Freedom and the Abolition of Property
Saidiya Hartman - Scenes of Subjection at 25
Robin DG Kelley - Freedom Dreams at 20
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