156 - Patrick Hiebert & Alex Voss: Building Bitcoin Citadels

Nov 14, 2025

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Bitcoin Citadels, Veritas Villages, Nicaragua, Panama, Costa Rica, Bitcoin, Autris, BitCorp, Treasury Company, MNAV, Decentralization, Quadratic Voting, Governance, Special Economic Zones

Timothy Allen speaks with Patrick Hiebert & Alex Voss.

Patrick gives updates on Veritas Villages’ expansion into Nicaragua, Panama, and Costa Rica. He highlights their network model, allowing members to share amenities across locations.

Alex discusses Autris’ acquisition of BitCorp to build a Bitcoin treasury company that pairs real business operations with Bitcoin holdings. They explain the concept of MNAV and stress that Autris focuses on tangible development, not just Bitcoin accumulation.

The discussion covers integrating Bitcoin into Veritas Villages through payments, mining, and governance. Patrick and Alex also explore decentralized governance, including special economic zones and quadratic voting for fairer HOA decisions.

The conversation concludes with plans for Autris to expand its communities and deepen Bitcoin integration.

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Veritas Villages are building off-grid, energy self-sufficient communities for freedom lovers in Latin America. Bitcoin is accepted at all villages, including for the purchase of property.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00:30 – Introduction To Episode
0:09:10 - Start of Conversation
0:10:18 - What's New at Veritas Villages?
0:11:01 - Acquiring a Large Property in Costa Rica
0:17:56 - Overview of Each Veritas Villages Location
0:27:15 - Autris Acquires BitCorp to Integrate BTC Treasury
0:29:30 - Bitcoin Treasury Companies Have a Terrible Reputation
0:33: 25 - Explaining MNAV
0:39:50 - How MicroStrategy's business model works
0:41:58 - We Aspire to be a Bitcoin Company Creating Bitcoin Citadels
0:48:30 - Talking to Governments about Sovereignty
0:57:02 - HOA Quadratic Voting on a Bitcoin Sidechain
1:06:10 - Private Property Rights in a Community
1:10:55 - Millei and Banning Argentina's Central Bank
1:13:19 - Bitcoin Adoption in Panama is Massive
1:21:10 - Leaving your Kids a Bitcoin Inheritance
1:23:19 - Short Term and Long Term Vision for Autris & Veritas Villages

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Patrick Hiebert: https://x.com/PatrickHiebert
Alex Voss: https://x.com/advoss12
Timothy Allen: https://twitter.com/MrTimothyAllen
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