This special episode features Professor Jeffrey Sachs interviewing Aaron Good about American Exception: Empire and the Deep State. The interview was for Professor Sachs' excellent podcast and video series, Book Club With Jeffrey Sachs.

We decided to make a DCC episode which includes the interview, along with extra material before and after the discussion in which I speak about Jeffrey Sachs and then, eventually, about the history and and scholarship behind the concept of the deep state. 

I encourage everyone to follow Book Club With Jeffrey Sachs. The Professor is a great interviewer, and his choices of books and authors are excellent. They have a YouTube channel and they are on the major podcasting apps.

The official website is here: Book Club With Jeffrey Sachs

Image: American Exception, by Abby Martin, graphics by Casey Moore--cover art for American Exception: Empire and the Deep State (Skyhorse Publishing: New York, 2022) by Aaron Good

Special thanks to:

• Dana Chavarria, production

• Casey Moore, graphics

• Michelle Boley, animated intro

• Mock Orange, music