Eric D. Schneider and J. J. Kay's "The System's View of Life" delves into the principles of systems thinking, applying them to the understanding of biological and ecological systems. The book emphasizes the interconnectedness and interdependence of components within a system, highlighting the emergent properties that arise from these interactions. It challenges reductionist approaches to understanding life, advocating for a holistic perspective that considers the system as a whole. The authors explore various concepts, such as feedback loops, self-organization, and adaptation, illustrating how these principles shape the dynamics of living systems. The book serves as a valuable resource for those seeking a deeper understanding of complex systems and their implications for various fields.
In 'The Tao of Physics', Fritjof Capra delves into the striking similarities between the worldviews of modern physics and those of Eastern mystical traditions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism. The book discusses how both modern physics and Eastern mysticism describe the world as an interconnected, dynamic system, and how concepts like the unity of all things, the cyclical nature of change, and the illusory nature of separate entities are common to both. Capra argues that these parallels offer a deeper understanding of the nature of reality and the human place within it. The book has been widely read and has influenced discussions on the integration of science and spirituality.
In 'The Turning Point', Fritjof Capra examines the scientific and economic crises of the modern world through the lens of systems theory. He argues that the Cartesian, Newtonian, and reductionist paradigms are inadequate for guiding human behavior and policy in the face of contemporary challenges. Capra advocates for a new vision of reality that incorporates holistic principles, integrating Western and Eastern approaches to psychology, psychotherapy, and ecology. The book addresses various fields including physics, biology, psychology, and economics, and proposes a future economic philosophy that is fundamentally humanistic and ecological[2][3][5].
(1) FRITJOF CAPRA - Originally aired April 2009
(2) NORA BATESON - Originally aired July 2012
Both interviews this week explore systems thinking - one of the key ingredients of a world that just might work.
First. I speak with FRITJOF CAPRA, who wrote a book in 1981 that greatly influenced my view not only of science, medicine, agriculture, energy, and even politics - it influenced my view of reality. That book was THE TURNING POINT, and its message is as profound and revolutionary today. "We live today in a globally interconnected world, in which biological, psychological, social, and environmental phenomena are all interdependent. To describe this world appropriately we need an ecological perspective which the Cartesian world view does not offer. What we need, then, is a new 'paradigm' - a new vision of reality; a fundamental change in our thoughts, perceptions, and values." Capra wrote those words in its preface.
In the second half my guest will be NORA BATESON, and we'll talk about AN ECOLOGY OF MIND, the wonderful documentary she's made about her father, the late anthropologist GREGORY BATESON. Her documentary is subtitled A Daughter's Portrait of Gregory Bateson. It tells of the unique anthropologist, philosopher, author, naturalist, and systems theorist, who was ahead of his time in seeing reality as made up not of things or even of ideas, but of relationships. The film features interviews with California Governor Jerry Brown, physicist and systems theorist Fritjof Capra, Whole Earth Catalogue publisher Stewart Brand, cultural philosopher and poet William Irwin Thompson; and Nora's sister, anthropologist Mary Catherine Bateson. Nora's film will introduce Bateson to a new generation and remind many of us of the impact her father had on the way a lot of people perceived the world.
"The major problems in the world are the result of the difference between how nature works and the way people think." Those are the words of the late Gregory Bateson - and I couldn't agree more.
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