Marilynn Lawrence, authority on Platonism and Hellenistic astrology, discusses Plotinus' theoretical writings on the science of the stars. They explore his rejection of astrology as a doctrine of fate, his analysis of the planets and their properties, and his arguments against the language used by astrologers. They also delve into the significance of the mid heaven in astrology and Plotinus' perspective on astrology as signs rather than causes.
Plotinus approached astrology with different perspectives throughout his philosophical career, exploring it in treatises on destiny, problems of the soul, and the nature of stars.
Plotinus emphasized astrology as a system of signs rather than direct causes, challenging the notion of direct causality between astrology and individual destinies.
Deep dives
Platonus' engagement with astrology in different periods of his life
Plantonus discusses astrology in three different treatises at different stages of his philosophical career. The treatises include 'Treatise on Destiny or Fate,' 'Treatise on Problems of the Soul,' and 'Treatise on Whether the Stars Are Causes.' This indicates that astrology was a subject of interest for Platonus throughout his life, and he approached it with different perspectives and focus.
Exploring Platonus' views on astrology as signs rather than causes
Platonus presents a viewpoint that emphasizes astrology as a system of signs rather than causes. He argues that the influence of the stars cannot be directly traced to specific causal effects on human lives. Instead, the stars are seen as providing signs or symbols that can be interpreted to gain insight into various aspects of a person's life. Platonus suggests that stars have semiotic value and can signify certain characteristics or events, but he challenges the notion of direct causality between astrology and individual destinies.
Platonus' criticism of some astrological language and theories
Platonus critiques certain astrological language and theories, finding them absurd or inconsistent with his philosophical framework. He challenges the idea that planets can "see" or interact with each other, questioning the empirical basis of such claims. Platonus also objects to the belief that physical traits or fortunes can be directly attributed to planetary influences, as he argues that factors like genetics and environment play a greater role. Furthermore, he disputes the notion that celestial movements align with specific geocentric positions, proposing alternative geometric arguments to counter these theories.
Unresolved tensions in Platonus' interpretation of astrology
There are unresolved tensions in Platonus' interpretation of astrology. While he questions and challenges certain aspects of astrology, such as the direct causality of planetary influences, he also acknowledges the potential significance of stars in relation to signs and divination. Platonus' view on astrology's role in shaping human destinies and dispositions is not entirely consistent, with hints of both causal and non-causal interpretations. Overall, his engagement with astrology reflects a complex and nuanced perspective on its relevance and limitations within his philosophical framework.
We speak with Marilynn Lawrence, authority on Platonism, Hellenistic astrology, and the intersection of the two, about Plotinus' theoretical writings on the science of the stars.
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