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Barbara Kellerman is the James MacGregor Burns Lecturer in Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School. Kellerman received her B.A. from Sarah Lawrence College and three degrees from Yale University: an M.A. in Russian and East European Studies and both an M.Phil., and Ph.D. in Political Science. She was awarded a Danforth Fellowship and three Fulbright Fellowships. Kellerman is a co-founder of the International Leadership Association (ILA).

Quotes from This Episode

• "Every time I speak about leadership, I speak equally about followership and the setting with which this leadership and followership takes place."
• "We know that there are some people who are driven and obsessive who have this life force. But they're not widely studied...they're not at all studied. They're not written about. And yet they often change the world."
• "I certainly take the point of view that the lust to try to legitimize an oppressed group is a good thing. There are other lusts such as the lust for power, which is probably almost always not so wonderful because it implies power over someone."
• "Leaders who lust seem to have an energy, a life force, a zeal, and a dedication to a particular goal. And we, we look at them with a measure of awe."

Dr. Kellerman's Website/Selected Books

• Website: Barbara Kellerman 
• New Book: The Enablers: How Team Trump Flunked the Pandemic and Failed America
• Book: Leaders Who Lust: Power Money Sex Success Legitimacy Legacy
• Book: Professionalizing Leadership 
• Book: Leadership: Essential Selections on Power, Authority, and Influence - 
• Book: Followership 
• Book: Bad Leadership 
• Book: Leadership: Multidisciplinary Perspectives 

About The International Leadership Association (ILA)

• The ILA was created in 1999 to bring together pro

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