The October 7 Terrorist Attacks, in Historical Perspective
Nov 1, 2023
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Israeli historian Benny Morris discusses Hamas' acts of mass murder, the Israeli response, and the future of Gaza. The podcast explores the stagnant relationship between Jews and Palestinians, the devastating impact of terrorist attacks on kibbutzim communities, Israeli army's approach in targeting Hamas members, the sense of fatalism and victimhood in Israeli society, and the use of the term 'apartheid' in relation to Israel's treatment of its Arab citizens.
The devastating October 7 terrorist attacks targeted Israeli kibbutzim, causing significant emotional trauma and raising concerns about the future of the Gaza-Israel border.
The attacks have fueled a strong motivation for revenge among Israeli soldiers, potentially reinforcing a sense of victimhood and posing moral dilemmas regarding Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
Deep dives
Challenging traditional understanding of Israel's creation and treatment of Palestinians
The podcast episode features an interview with Benny Morris, a renowned historian of Israel, who has challenged the traditional narrative of Israel's creation and its treatment of local Palestinian populations. Morris's work, including his book 'The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem,' has been criticized by hawkish scientists for his revisionist tendencies. In the interview, Morris discusses the emotional trauma caused by Hamas's terrorist attacks and questions whether Israel's response has been excessive.
Impact of terrorist attacks on tight-knit communities
The podcast addresses the impacts of the October 7 terrorist attacks, particularly the targeting of kibbutzim, close-knit communities in Israel. Several kibbutzim experienced devastating losses, with a quarter of their population, including women and children, being murdered. The attacks have left these communities traumatized and unwilling to return to their settlements unless Hamas is destroyed. It raises questions about the future of the border area between Gaza and Israel, with a potential realization of a demilitarized zone.
Motivation for Israeli soldiers and the future of Israel
The podcast explores various aspects related to Israeli soldiers and the current conflict. It highlights the strong motivation among Israeli troops, driven by revenge for the attacks carried out by Hamas. The potential long-term effects of these attacks on Israeli society, such as a reinforced sense of victimhood, fatalism, and a perceived need for revenge, are also discussed. The podcast touches on Benny Morris's endorsement of the term 'apartheid' to describe Israel's treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and reflects on the emotions and moral dilemmas that arise in response to such violence.
Quillette podcast host Jonathan Kay talks to influential Israeli historian Benny Morris about Hamas’ acts of mass murder, the Israeli response, and the future of Gaza.